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How good is an Intel GMA 4500 video card for gaming?

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by HerrKaputt, Dec 20, 2008.

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  1. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

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    Hello,

    I use a laptop mostly for work, but enjoy playing games. I am very happy with my Fujitsu Lifebook s6120, but it has been getting quite slow for my work needs (needless to say it is VERY slow for games). So I am going to buy a new one, and was looking at the Lifebook s7220.

    So I would like to know: how good is it for games? Naturally it is worse than a notebook with a dedicated video card, but I've heard that Intel's GMA 4500 chipset is actually surprisingly good for gaming. I don't want to play games like Crysis, but would like to play Guild Wars and Age of Empires III, for example. I would like to play also Oblivion and Fallout 3, even if at medium or low settings. I am very happy with framerates of 30, I don't need 60+.

    So, all of you who have a laptop with this videocard, please let me know how good it is. Thanks in advance!
     
  2. Melody

    Melody How's It Made Addict

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    By general terms, the HD4500 is a bad bad gaming GPU. The HD4500 is only able to run older games comfortably. Guild Wars and Age of Empire should run without much issue, but Oblivion and Fallout 3 will struggle, even at the lowest settings.

    I believe the HD3200 was the IGP with the "surprisingly good gaming performance", not the GMA4500.
     
  3. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

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    Okay, thanks for the tips. +rep :)

    By the way, how about the Nvidia 9300? I know it is also integrated, but since a) it's Nvidia and b) it has some dedicated memory, is it any better?
     
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    Andy Notebook Prophet

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    Go for the NVIDIA 9300, if into mild gaming, though battery life would be much better with the GMA.
     
  6. Melody

    Melody How's It Made Addict

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    Isn't the 9300M GS dedicated though? I think it's the 9200M GS which is integrated >.>

    But yeah, the 9300M GS will provide a definite improvement over the HD4500.

    Intel just isn't really into the GPU business. They mostly stick to CPUs and let Nvidia and ATI make GPUs lol :p
     
  7. IntelUser

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    I saw a review about the GMA X4500HD desktop motherboard review and they said it ran oblivion decent at medium settings.

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/review/2008/08/07/Intel-DG45ID/p2

    "Just for larks we decided to see whether the extra performance of G45 yielded any tangible benefits apart from an inflated score in a benchmark and were staggered to find that we were able to play Elder Scrolls:Oblivion at 1,280x1,024 on Medium Quality settings."
     
  8. Melody

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    Hmm well admittedly an integrated GPU's desktop and laptop counterparts must be similar(as compared to a desktop dedicated GPU and a notebook dedicated GPU) so maybe that also applies to the HD4500, but I've heard stories from friends who had trouble running Oblivion on an HD4500.
     
  9. Andy

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    Both 9200M and 9300M have their own dedicated memory. The 9100M is a mGPU, without dedicated memory.
     
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    I get 50-100 fps in CS 1.6 and about 40avg on Source with the x4500. With the 7150go, I got 40-60fps in 1.6 and 15-30 with Source.
     
  11. HerrKaputt

    HerrKaputt Elite Notebook User

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    From the table in NotebookCheck it seems that an Intel X4500 is little better than an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600. Am I correct?

    I am asking this because my girlfriend's computer has a Mobility Radeon 9600, and for me that is not enough (it struggles on Oblivion and cannot run Fallout 3 or Gothic 3, even at minimum settings).
     
  12. DetlevCM

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    Age of Empires works on the Intel X3100 (for me) - NVidia 8400GS looks better though.

    This means however, that the Intel X4500 should give you a reasonable/good performance on AoE 3.
     
  13. Melody

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    Oblivion is mildly demanding as a game, but it's moderate compared to most newer games.

    Fallout 3 is relatively new and somewhat graphics demanding, therefore I doubt anything integrated will be able to run it smoothly with decent settings.

    You're going to have to get some lower end dedicated GPU IMO to run something decent. At least an HD3200 would be best(since that's more powerful than an HD4500 in games) if not a 8400M GS or higher.
     
  14. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    8400GS is amongst the faulty cards (see NVidia "issue")
    So unless you get a laptop with 2 cards like a Sony SZ I wouldn't really recommend it...
     
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    So the 4500 should be able to handle most games on at least low from a year ago?

    Does anyone know if it will run Team Fortress 2? I don't know if it is really that demanding, but it does seem to have quite a few reflections and a lot of particles.
     
  16. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I suppose you can switch them off.
     
  17. HerrKaputt

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    It might not be so easy. For example, in Age of Empires III, to turn off particles entirely (makes a huge difference in battles with naval units or artillery) you have to hack a .cfg file. The hacking is quite easy to do, but it still isn't something for the basic user.

    Sode note: Note that I'm not complaining, as my computer is well below the minimum specs for AoE III. The fact that turning off particles through hacking allows this old computer to run AoE III with quite decent fps even in big battles (around 25) is actually a big plus.
     
  18. Melody

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    The GMA4500 will not be able to play much. I suggest not hoping for much coming from it so you won't be disappointed if it doesn't run some games and if it does run some stuff, then you'll have a nice surprise :D

    It can run older stuff at minimum settings and resolution, but don't expect too much. FEAR apparently runs well at minimum settings on 640*480 just to give you an example.
     
  19. HerrKaputt

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    I have decided to order a Dell Latitude E6400 with a Nvidia Quadro 160. From what I gather it will be a good compromise between portability and the ability to play SOME games.
     
  20. qwestman

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    Games I play on my GMA 4500.

    all games are 1280x800 medium to high settings

    (average fps)
    Battlefield 2: 30+ fps
    warcraft 3: 30+fps
    CS:S: 50-60 fps
    HL2: 30+fps

    (I have no fps avail on following games but they run great)
    Sim city 4 (runs better on my laptop then my desktop with a 6800 gt. Probably because it is a more processor sensitive game)
    GTA3
    Soldier of Fortune 2
    Madden 2007


    Summary:
    I'd say as long as you are into any games that are older than 1-2 years, it's a great GPU. It is very stable and reliable on all the games I listed above. It produces very little heat and battery consumption. Because of the stability, heat, and battery usuage I'm betting this will extend the life of the laptop which is another plus, however this is hard to confirm since it hasn't been around for very long.

    People shouldn't be saying the x4500 is not good for gaming, because actually it is awesome for gaming. I think the correct way to put it would be the x4500 is not good for new games (again 1-2 year old games).
     
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