How do you want your next laptop to be built?

Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Mr. Fox, Aug 16, 2017.

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I want my laptop to be built with:

Poll closed Aug 16, 2018.
  1. Socketed CPU and MXM GPU so I can repair or upgrade is a must (BGA is totally unacceptable)

    68.0%
  2. Replaceable MXM GPU so I can repair or upgrade is a must (a weaker BGA CPU is OK with me)

    11.0%
  3. BGA is OK with me, but I DO NOT want Max-Q (I want a full performance GPU even if it is BGA)

    14.5%
  4. BGA is fine and I want Max-Q (Performance is less important. I will sell it while under warranty)

    3.5%
  5. BGA CPU with only integrated graphics (I don't need good CPU or GPU performance)

    2.9%
  1. Johnksss

    Johnksss Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I'm really just going off of what you already said in this thread about what you can't afford.:D
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/i-am-finally-upgrading.807710/

    Now that is something I can respect, but when you say all this stuff you could buy, but don't need...Is like me saying I can buy 10 bugattis, but I don't really need one while I ride my skateboard to work 10 miles from here. It just loses all it's steam and no one really cares.
     
  2. Raidriar

    Raidriar Notebook Prophet

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    After using my newly acquired M17x R2, RGBLED needs to make a comeback, ASAP.
     
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  3. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    I was merely replying to this clause of yours:

    Unless I was mistaken, this, from my perspective implied 'haha, look, he's too poor to afford the P870KM, so he is salty about everyone getting high performance and hence he calls it a waste'. I can afford it. I couldn't just take that lying down, could I? ;)

    I am cynical about the true impact of competitive benching. Contrary to what @TBoneSan claims, there is no 'trickle up'. I doubt the engineers need the 'excellence breeding' of competitive benching to push out new products. Competition within the market? Definitely. It's why Intel pushed forward its launch of two more cores in Coffee Lake, because AMD pulled off its release of Zen with finesse. AMD has a solid product stack that, at nearly every price point, is better value than the equivalent Intel product. But that, again, is a managerial and financial decision, and not necessarily due to a lack of excellence in Intel engineers.

    Trickle down, on the other hand? All the time. The biggest cores that nVidia produces (GP100, GV100) are not put in GeForce GPUs, not even in Quadro workstation ones, but in Tesla accelerators. The second-best Zen core bins are sent to Threadripper. The best are in Epyc. Likewise for Intel Xeon. I am confident that Nvidia's or AMD's biggest money spinners aren't the GTX 1080 Ti Extreme OC GAMING K|NGP|N DER8AUER UNLOCKED editions, but professional CPUs/GPUs/accelerators with thousands of cores, which run at a comparatively modest clocks, where the efficiency is high. For such applications, competitive benching is like playing at heels.

    I'm talking about energy efficiency and use-case here, and like someone else said in a now-locked thread, a P870KM will actually be a pain in the neck when I already have a terminal connected to a render farm. I am not saying that the P870 is a waste. It has its use case. I'm sure some professionals need that much power with portability. Some gamers may live in a particularly space-deprived area, or need to move around all the time. But when I see someone blast air-conditioned air into one computer and say 'oh, I'm benching,' it really grinds my gears. IMO there are better ways to use all that hardware and electricity. Feel free to call me a tree-hugger, but it really does hurt to see this.

    Concorde was fast as hell. Looked sexy, iconic, and it was bragging rights for Europe for decades. It was shafted, in favour of more traditional aircraft. All the true 21st-century designs like the 787, 777X, A350 and 747-8 prize efficiency, low drag, less weight and passenger comfort, even at the cost of speed. Military combat jet aircraft are notoriously inefficient, but they need to pull 9G manoeuvres and have immense acceleration to emerge victorious in combat. It's not bragging rights, it's a defensive necessity. I don't see private entities buying F-16s, MiGs and such, and showing off.
     
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  4. TBoneSan

    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

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    Private entities aren't buying military weaponry.. no. But people do by private jets. Bad example.
    I'm not sure what argument you're really trying to make other than you don't understand why people benchmark? That competitive benchmarking isn't the highest virtue for the species? Or that humans should be on energy rations and defer any form of pleasure unless it meets your discretion...?
     
  5. Ionising_Radiation

    Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)

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    Good point. That's also lousy efficiency. Why do we need two turbofans to put two dozen people in the air?

    Benchmarks are just that: a means to compare the performance of computer parts. A one-off test of performance, jacking up clocks and voltages to see how far one's parts may go is, in my opinion, perfectly alright. It's like buying an average car and flooring it in the Nürburgring once or twice. But doing it several times a day, every day like I see posters here doing, is a waste, I feel. Swapping out CPUs to 'get that golden one' is equally bad.

    Yes, it isn't. Everyone is free to spend their money, but others are also free to criticise their decisions.

    Slippery slope, much? Let me clarify. My point is that the 3DMark/HWBot/CPUBenchmark/Heaven/what-have-you leaderboards mean little to the progression of computer hardware as a whole. They are entirely for self-satisfaction, and the energy (electrically speaking) put into achieving those scores, isn't worth it in the long run.
     
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  6. Robbo99999

    Robbo99999 Notebook Prophet

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    We can't really criticise people for dumping relatively large amounts of electricity through extreme desktops & laptops in the pursuit of high benchmarks - yes it doesn't make sense to some people, but it's a hobby, trying to be scientific with your machine to eek out some marginal gains, it's your creation, it's a hobby, and it's fun for those that do it. The people that do this are also by definition very knowledgeable & passionate about hardware & they pass on their knowledge & advice to people in these forums - so there's a trickle down of benefit there. There's nothing to criticise really.
     
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  7. Johnksss

    Johnksss Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Nothing really more to discuss. He does not understand so he rationalizes it as waste of time and power and blah blah blah that's all I heard after that point. This is the internet so it's be all you can be till someone who know you shows up and explains the real about someone. We are all entitled to our own opinions even if some of them are incorrect. No one wanted to hear that same old argument yet again. It's so outdated I can't understand why it needs repeating over and over and over again.

    So until you spend the money you claim i'm going with my own opinion. You can't afford it. Sorry. If you could have you would have never brought it up in the first place. Actions speak far louder than those words posted today.
     
  8. Support.2@XOTIC PC

    Support.2@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    Interestingly that's exactly what my car is for. It's a boring economical automatic transmission box with wheels that moves me, stuff and other people from point A to point B. But mostly it's for weather protection, when it's too icy or hailing so I can't ride my motorcycle. And a good rail/bus system is something you get with a high population density, which a lot of America doesn't have. We have a bus system in my city, and I've probably used it 10 times in the last 20 years.
     
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  9. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    I don't know how 'worth it' the electrical energy spent to get world records is - but I do agree 100% that leaderboards have very little to no impact on what a manufacturer offers us in the present or near future (as far as 'performance' goes). ;)

     
  10. Support.2@XOTIC PC

    Support.2@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    They'll always have something that's just for the performance chasers, but it doesn't usually affect mainstream releases.
     
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