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How do i properly clean Thermal Grizzly Condunaut?

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  1. Falkentyne

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    Here's an example of insulation on a BGA CPU. You do the same thing for the GPU. This is VERY important on the GPU!



    You don't have to do what this guy does. he uses nail polish **AND** tape. There is nothing wrong with this at all, but this is like trying to kill a fly with a sledgehammer.
    You should use 1 or the other.

    For the GPU you want the entire around the GPU (small resistors) painted with 3 coats of Cellulouse Nail Polish (NOT ACETONE).
    If you don't 'want to use nail polish, then you do the tape method that he explains in the video, except on the GPU, not the CPU.

    In this picture you can see the nail polish at the bottom. It's much easier to see the "shine" reflection on the CPU however.

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    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-guide-results.797373/page-278#post-10615763
     
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  2. Al_Jourgensen

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    Ok, now I understand, the thing is that I have a 8700k, and is to small to have tape, so here I only put the LM on the top of the CPU. I putted also on the copper cooler, but then I noticed high temp and just remove that layer from the cooper cooler with the polish method and clean it with the isopropyl alcohol in the end.
    Regarding the MXM GTX, well this one is big enough to have that black tape and was already there from factory. To clean it I put just normal tape on top of the black tape and clean it carefully, it came out easy no big problem.
    Now the crashes only started when I remove it from the cooper cooler only, I just put it back again on the top of my first thermal grizzly applying.
    Yesterday I had thermal grizzly on the top and on the Nvidia chip and it was fine, I just had 83 degrees max when playing, I just don’t understand why the removal from the cooper cooler started this crashes

    Thank you once again for your explanation
     
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    Listen, man.
    YOU REALLY need to do your research and study up before you short circuit your motherboard with liquid metal.
    That black tape around the GPU is NOT 'insulating tape'. It's not even tape. That tape offers NO protection whatsoever!
    And no, you don't put NORMAL tape around the GPU resistors. Only kapton tape, Scotch Super 33+, or 3 coats of transparent nail polish.

    Why are you trying to do all this stuff without doing your research?
    there are so many webpages, so many videos on how to prep grizzly conductonaut or Liquid Ultra. Even guides on this very forum. Many of them. Yet you're choosing to ignore them, doing it your own way then complaining that you short circuited your GPU....

    do your research man.
    I told you EXACTLY what you need. EXACTLY.
    Now please take some time, read and watch videos, and learn. So you don't wind up destroying your hardware.

    Also look at Mr Fox's video in the link I gave above too.(NOT the GT73VR video, but the one in the forum link).

    Foam dams (polyurethane i think is the material, but a VERY VERY compressible and light foam) foam are recommended as 'wall barriers' (not required but its a good idea) to stop any "tiny drops" of LM from ever escaping and getting on the PCB (where it CAN destroy something). like this material:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MXDJFCB/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AEF8AWXR95D0

    You also need to make sure your heatsink has a VERY BALANCED, tight fit, because some users have had LM "shift off" partly off the GPU when they hard bumped or dropped their laptop, causing super high temps or worse.....
     
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  4. Papusan

    Papusan BGABOOKS = That sucks!! STAHP! Dont buy FILTH...

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    Be sure you completely removed the polish compound. Use sandpaper +2000 grit and sand with Isopropyl 99% or similar. The polish compound being more lik a fat film on top.
     
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  5. Al_Jourgensen

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    Ok My Friend I'm going to do it as you say. So I removed the tape from the GPU and I notice that the thermal compound (not the LM condunaut), I think is kryonaut, the one that came with it from factory, was spread trough the tiny pins around the chip. I think this is the problem. I cleaned it with isopropil alcohol, now I'm going to buy the dark tape and the nail polish and I'm going to apply it again and see what happens.

    I thank you for your explanation and I'll feedback as soon as possible
     
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    For the temperature issue, I'd possibly guess that a warped heatsink might be responsible. When LM has stopped working for me in the past, the metal went 'crusty' each time - it was pretty obvious what the issue was. Leaving the LM 'stain' on the CPU die and heatsink didn't seem to make any difference to temps.

    TBH, I can't help feeling that given the warranty concerns and general sense of terror that your posts are infused with, you might be better served with IC Diamond or another non-metal paste.
     
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    I think what is being stated here is that one should be careful with liquid metal. Since it is conductive in nature, any soldered joints, parts, electrical components can be short circuited if the liquid metal oozes or leaks onto a surface in which you did not intend.

    Since you say you've covered 'all my GPU around the nvidia chip' with Vinyl Electrical Tape, you might be OK. However, it is possible the liquid metal seeps under the tape, and is still causing a short circuit and potential damage. In cases like this, a lot of people coat their components with a non-conductive nail polish. This way, if the liquid metal does manage to ooze to somewhere it should not, the components are still protected.

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    I see from later posts that you seem to now understand what people were saying and that you did have some liquid metal that spread to where it was unwanted. Hopefully you can resolve the issue. We wish you the best of luck!
     
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  8. Al_Jourgensen

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    Ok...so after a hard work i manage to put 3 times in 30 minutes periods, being the last one of 1 hour, lacquer insulation in spray for electronica, laca-aislante-en-sptay-para-electronica-v-66.jpg


    it´s like the nail polish, then i put Artic Silver 5 cause the store didn´t have Grizzly Kryonaut, it´s better to leave the LM.......and follow your instructions, and the video ones, i didn´t put the tape as mentioned.........i´m getting 90º.......15 days trying to figure out a way to drop this to the initial 80º that he had and i simply can´t........what I´m i doing wrong now......everything is clean, i triple checked, i bought numerous chemicals and another thermal paste and i can´t make this thing to drop.....i´m sure i don´t have any paste or LM in the conductores, now they are covered 3 times with the V-66.
    I only start Tomb Raider for example and just let him on the initial screen, i only see with MSI afterburner, the temperature rising to the 90´s........in idle mode, or with Edge open, i get between 38 and 41º......i don´t know what else to do....
     
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    You didnt answer my original question.

    Did you not use a block or did you just use your hands when applying force to the heatsink?

    You very likely have a warped heatsink
     
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    I just scewed it, i didn’t press it, I checked the thermal paste and it’s well spread. Regarding the warped heatsink that you say, you probably have a point there, I notice when I put the LM, that the marks of LM on the cooler where nearly to points on a corner, the rest had nothing, so no contact, and the more I push for the fans, the temps praticly don’t change and maybe is that....gonna RMA cause this happens in bouth of them, and the LM layer was so thin that show me that, the thermal paste just spreads it’s way out, you couldn’t notice that, but you can see that are points that have less thermal paste pressed on it.
     
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