How Dell cripple performance explained by Notebookcheck.net

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  1. Papusan

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    I took a look inside Notebookcheck.net as usual. And come over showed bench results from 7820Hq in a Dell Precision (One of their most known Notebook Workstations). See the similarity aka the performance behavior from both Alienware gaming laptops and Dell's Precision Notebook Workstation, and it's quite scary reading. The first round of Cinebench R15 is run with <more> normal score and with round 2 it will goes straight into the bottom and stays there through the whole tests. Exactly as showed from Alienware's Cinebench R15 results below. This is not or can't be a coincidence. It fits the thread title as like a hand in a glove. <How Dell Cripple Performance>
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    Cinebench R15 stress tests done from latest Alienware reviwed on Notebookcheck.net late fall 2017. 7820HK jumping between 3.2 and 3.3GHz. Scores below is from Cpu Monkey... Fully locked down 7700Hq vs. 7820HK.
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    Many ways to get rid of Power Limit throttling. One safe way is to turn of the notebook with the on/off button. Or simply turn of Turbo Boost:oops: Not a Dellbook, but many work in exactly the same way.
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    As everyone knows, the thread title is called "How Dell cripple performance". Here is more info regarding why Dell have to Cripple the Performance... Will people get this infomation directly on Dell's sales site (Product Details) when they put in a order of the Trash? Nope!! This is what they get on their web site...
    Powerhouse performance.
    Super-speed: The most powerful XPS laptop we’ve ever built includes the latest 7th Gen Intel® Quad Core™ processors and an optional 4GB GeForce® GTX 1050 graphics card with the latest and greatest Pascal™ architecture, so you can blaze through your most intensive tasks.

    Maximum memory and storage: Supports up to 32GB* of memory with a bandwidth of 2133MHz, 1.3 times the speed of 1600MHz options. Faster memory means you get to the content that you need quicker. Expandable storage up to 1TB* in your choice of standard hard drive or optional solid state drive (SSDs), available in faster PCIe versions, provide plenty of storage room and high-performance responsiveness to access and run your applications quickly. The XPS 15 boots and resumes in seconds with a solid state drive, so you can do more without waiting.

    Killer™ Wireless: The Killer 1535 Wireless-AC adapter provides a strong and reliable Wi-Fi connection and was designed specifically to make your online videos, voice and games play faster and smoother. It automatically detects, classifies and prioritizes network traffic ensuring your most important data takes priority over your other less urgent applications. Killer delivers your critical packets immediately, thus eliminating unnecessary latency and lag.

    The truth...
    XPS 9550 and 9560: Throttling CPU under sustained 100% CPU and GPU loads

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    @Papusan - you know things are bad when they say the throttling is by design. That's really messed up, but it goes to show what a sorry state the whole industry is in as it relates to notebooks. It is in shambles and will likely only get worse. It seems conveniently popular now to make excuses for sucky performance and pass it off as "by design" hogwash.

    Don't know if we should say thank you (tongue in cheek) to Dell for making excuses for it rather than denying the problem exists, or be more angry at their competitors for pretending they have no knowledge of engineering defects of this type.
     
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    If Dell know the throttling is by design...They should mention this in the product details for mentioned models. Or put in a link to the proper Knowledge Base article. This mean they are full aware of the flaws and should warning potential buyers before they click the purchase button. Otherwise, I will call it a huge fraud!!
     
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    I have not seen a Dell system work like any other system (i.e. 'normally') - ever. When Dell 00001 rolled off the assembly line; it was throttled beyond being useful to me.

    Can't understand how they're still in business...
     
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    Follow up with Dell's Latitude notebook models. Same awful experience - Knowledge Base article!!
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    Thermal pads on the 8xxx/9xxx M was pretty common, they are not your regular thermal pads, but it was common by HP, Asus, Dell, and many others, those where low TDP GPU's and they stayed under 70ºC, the alternative was to shim them with a 0.5-0.8mm cooper shim.

    The E6400 has a NVS 160M aka a 9300m GS, just normal practice at the time.
     
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    I think this is pretty overblown. To be honest this whole concept that nvidia pushed about not being a difference between desktop and notebook GPUs with people buying into the hype has exacerbated it. Desktops > Laptops, always has and always will be just like Custom > OEM. Macbooks have been aggressively throttling both GPU and CPUs using their own controllers for years and no one has complained and when applied properly has their benefits just as improved battery life. Know what you're buying and don't believe the marketing-speak.
     
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    Tricky marketing overselling a product's capabilities.
     
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    Then it’s confirmed. Nothing has changed from Dell. Maybe about time DELL stop use soldered dGPU graphics in their notebooks and just use iGPU? Unified heatsink design is the Devils work. And Tripod mounting attachment doesn’t make it any better.

    Alienware and Dell’s XPS lines General Vice President Frank Azor confirms the ugly truth!!
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    https://mobile.twitter.com/AzorFrank/status/996075296406286336
     
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