Help choosing a notebook please

Discussion in 'What Notebook Should I Buy?' started by Snowy2020, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. Snowy2020

    Snowy2020 Newbie

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    Hi all - new user to the forum :)

    I am a coder and a gamer. My home rig is an i9-9900k/32Gb/RTX-2080ti but I have a caravan that we visit at weekends.

    I want to be able to code (and respond to bug reports) at the van and also be able to game (COD/Death Stranding/SOTR type games).

    I have been using a Surface Book 1 but i'm finding the screen is too small and, of course, it's useless for gaming. Although it is nice a quiet!

    So I have been looking at replacing it.

    I was initially going to buy a Lenovo Legion 5i 17. (17" 144Hz, RTX2060, i7 10750h, 15Gb Ram, 500Gb nvme)

    But then I discovered configurable laptops from PC Specialist - I especially like the dead pixel guarantee they have as I HATE dead/stuck pixels with a passion!

    So I now have to choose between the Lenovo above and various PC Specialist machines.

    My budget is around £1350 - I don't need Windows (I have a spare key).

    I also have a brand new 1Tb M.2 nvme drive to put in at as a secondary. This is a 2280 format drive so it is important that that laptop supports this size.

    It will be used 99% of the time on mains power and on a table (never on my knee).

    Keyboard is pretty important to me as a coder (I do a lot of typing).

    Although not a deal breaker I would like it to be as quiet as possible when browsing/coding.

    Also I like quite a bright screen but can't find any info about the NITS for the laptops.

    I will also probably upgrade the warranty but I wanted to do a like for like comparison to the Lenovo so I haven't included that below.

    Here are the machines I have been looking at :

    Machine 1 (Defiance) - £1340 :
    Chassis & Display

    Defiance Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

    Processor (CPU)

    Intel Core i7 Eight Core Processor 10875H (2.3GHz, 5.1GHz Turbo)

    Memory (RAM)

    16GB Corsair 2666MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)

    Graphics Card

    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX 12.1

    1st M.2 SSD Drive

    500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)

    Memory Card Reader

    Integrated Micro-SD Memory Card Reader

    AC Adaptor

    1 x 180W AC Adaptor

    Power Cable

    1 x 1 Metre Cloverleaf UK Power Cable

    Battery

    Defiance Series Integrated 3 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (73WH)

    Thermal Paste

    ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND

    Sound Card

    2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

    Wireless/Wired Networking

    GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (2.4 Gbps) + BT 5.0

    USB/Thunderbolt Options

    1 x THUNDERBOLT 3 PORT + 3 x USB 3.2 PORTS

    Keyboard Language

    17" DEFIANCE SERIES UK KEYBOARD

    Operating System

    NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

    Keyboard & Mouse

    INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE

    Webcam

    INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM

    Warranty

    3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

    Dead Pixel Guarantee

    1 Year Dead Pixel Guarantee Inc. Labour & Carriage Costs



    Machine 2 (Vyper) - £1354:

    Chassis & Display


    Vyper Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

    Processor (CPU)

    Intel Core i7 Eight Core Processor 10875H (2.3GHz, 5.1GHz Turbo)

    Memory (RAM)

    16GB Corsair 2666MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)

    Graphics Card

    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX 12.1

    1st M.2 SSD Drive

    500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)

    Memory Card Reader

    Integrated Micro-SD Memory Card Reader

    AC Adaptor

    1 x 230W AC Adaptor

    Power Cable

    1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)

    Battery

    Vyper Series Integrated 91WH Lithium Ion Battery

    Thermal Paste

    ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND

    Sound Card

    2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

    Wireless/Wired Networking

    GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL Wi-Fi 6 AX201 (2.4 Gbps) + BT 5.0

    USB/Thunderbolt Options

    1 x THUNDERBOLT 3 PORT + 3 x USB 3.1 PORTS

    Keyboard Language

    VYPER 17 SERIES RGB BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD

    Operating System

    NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

    Keyboard & Mouse

    INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE

    Webcam

    INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM

    Warranty

    3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

    Dead Pixel Guarantee

    1 Year Dead Pixel Guarantee Inc. Labour & Carriage Costs

    Chassis

    TongFang GM7MP0P (6GB RTX-2060, i7-10875H, 144Hz, Blank KB)

    Price: £1,354.00 including VAT and Delivery



    Machine 3 (Optimus Pro XI) - £1146 :

    Chassis & Display


    Optimus Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

    Processor (CPU)

    Inte Core i7 Six Core Processor 10750H (2.6GHz, 5GHz Turbo)

    Memory (RAM)

    16GB Corsair 2666MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)

    Graphics Card

    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX 12.1

    1st M.2 SSD Drive

    500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)

    Memory Card Reader

    Integrated 3 in 1 Card Reader (Full Size SD / SDHC / SDXC)

    AC Adaptor

    1 x 180W AC Adaptor

    Power Cable

    1 x 1 Metre Cloverleaf UK Power Cable

    Battery

    Optimus Series Integrated 46WH Lithium Ion Battery

    Thermal Paste

    ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND

    Sound Card

    2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

    Wireless/Wired Networking

    GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (2.4 Gbps) + BT 5.0

    USB/Thunderbolt Options

    1 x USB 3.1 PORT (Type C) + 2 x USB 3.1 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT

    Keyboard Language

    OPTIMUS SERIES RGB BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD

    Operating System

    NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

    Keyboard & Mouse

    INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE

    Webcam

    INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM

    Warranty

    3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

    Dead Pixel Guarantee

    1 Year Dead Pixel Guarantee Inc. Labour & Carriage Costs

    Chassis

    TongFang GK7MR0R (6GB RTX-2060, i7-10750H, 144Hz, Blank KB)

    Price: £1,146.00 including VAT and Delivery

    So there are 4 machines to choose from :

    Lenovo Legion 5i 17

    Defiance

    Vyper

    Optimus XI Pro

    All similar specs - First 3 are similar prices - The Optimus is cheaper.

    Also I can't tell what chassis the Defiance uses (it doesn't specify in the specs) - Any ideas ?

    Any help would REALLY be appreciated
     
  2. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    I would try to get the Core i7-10875H as it's an eight-core chip and thus fares better for the future than the six-core Core i7-10750H. Also, see if you can stretch your budget to get a notebook with an RTX 2070 since it has 8GB of video memory, up to which some games will already use. 6GB is the bare minimum if you want to game at high settings. Last, also try to stretch for 32GB of system memory, though this one is less important if the notebook's memory is upgradeable.

    You might want to look in our Other Manufacturers forum for discussion on the TongFang notebooks.

    Charles
     
  3. Snowy2020

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    Thank you for the info :)

    One other thing that concerned me was overall quality and reliability. Should I be worried about a Clevo or TongFang chassis notebook compared with the Lenovo - I only say that as I have a server at home that is a Lenovo TS-140 and it's the most reliable, solid, never falls over piece of kit I own.
     
  4. Charles P. Jefferies

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    Reliability is a tough question to answer. Business notebooks, like Lenovo ThinkPads, stand a better chance of outlasting their consumer-grade counterparts because they have a more rigid construction, which doesn't allow the internal circuit boards to bend as easily. So, a fast way to make a notebook unreliable/fail is to treat it poorly - picking it up by its corners, doing things that might cause it to bend and so on.

    I don't have statistics for Clevo, TongFang or any other but the Other Manufacturers forum I mentioned has lots of owners threads about TongFang. Feel free to ask in there or just browse if people had any problems that required warranty work.

    I can say that provided you're sensible about how you [physically] treat your notebook, it should last a long time. I'd get a three-year warranty (the most basic they offer) on a notebook in your price range. Add accidental damage if you have a history of broken electronics, otherwise it's probably not worth it.

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