Had to put the Vaio VPCZ13 inside the freezer to update to Fall Creators Update

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  1. Paloseco

    Paloseco Notebook Evangelist

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    EDITED: I mean to put the notebook/laptop INSIDE the freezer, not on top of it obviously.

    Just a tip to those who have the Sony Vaio VPCZ13 or similar, and keeps shutting down when updating. In my case it happened because the Windows 10 updater does not respect the current power plan. Instead, it allows to use maximum energy (High performance). I had limited the Maximum Processor state to 80%, so it never reaches temperatures over 100 ℃ because this notebook overheats a lot, and didn't replace the thermal paste because it's a nightmare.

    Beware then, that Windows 10 Upgrade Assistant does not respect Maximum Processor state or current power plan, so it may lead to computer shutdowns during the install/update of the operating system.

    I have also Hackintosh on the VPCZ13, and I've noticed that macOS (formerly OSX), natively limits (throttles) the CPU frequency so it never reaches dangerous temperatures. Great job Apple, Microsoft has to learn a lot from you.
     
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    CPUs shouldn't be throttling in the first place, especially not during Windows update. Throttling is just a way to stop pathetic heat sink designs from frying your CPU.
     
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    Mine needs the fans to be greased every 3-4 months. I'll do that today before upgrading.

    How is the Z1 behaving with this latest release of Windows? Any pitfalls you have observed? GPU behaving itself?
     
  4. Paloseco

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    Well, after upgrading to Fall Creator Update 1709 I've found this:
    - All the energy plans are missing except the current one you have at the moment of upgrade.
    - The task manager now has a performance tab for the GPU.
    - Has an option for gamers to prevent cheating.
    - I had to reinstall the nvidia 330m patched drivers: VAIO_Z1_330M_INF_Patcher.exe.v4.8.zip mirror
    - Some people are reporting that shortcuts to apps are missing in the Menu but the app is not deinstalled itself, just the shortcut.
    - I couldn't upgrade using the Updates & security from Settings, because there's always this message "This app is preventing you from restarting". I'ts an unknown app which name is not shown and the icon is a generic icon, and after restart it just rolls back to the previous version. How it worked for me was to use the update assistant Windows10Upgrade9252.exe:
    Windows 10 Fall Creators Update now available: The Update Assistant can help you update to the latest version of Windows 10. To get started, click Update now.
    After it downloads the update and configures everything, you have a 30 minutes countdown until it automatically reboots. You can wait or hit reboot now, and then when it is just restarting again in the bios power off the computer and put it in the freezer, or you can put it directly. It restarts 3 times more to successfully upgrade.

    I recommend you to check on websites or youtube all the new features of Fall Creators Update, there's a lot of stuff.
     
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    I see, but the hardware is what it is and there's little to be done now. In any case, I'm already using a MSI GT73VR as a replacement for the Z13, and love it because has a 120Hz screen refresh rate. It has really good thermals, I only regret it for having the HQ processor instead of the HK. The ghosting is very low compared to a Dell XPS 4k for example. Macbooks have very low ghosting I think even with 60Hz refresh rate.

    In any case, any software like Windows installer, Windows updates, Linux installers, or software that boots from CDs, USBs or such, should have the option to CPU thermal throttle and monitor cores' temperatures so they don't exceed 95 celsius degrees for example.
    Software like Acronis True Image or Macrium Reflect suffer the same issue and after a few minutes the Vaio VPCZ13 shuts down due to overheating. I use that software from within Windows instead of using a bootable usb because that way the energy plan does the throttling.

    I've got the idea from Snazzy Labs, amazing guys:



     
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    Thanks. I expect a clean install will work better - always seems to. Registry corruption, I guess. They really should have a separate registry hive for the OS, which can be deleted during the upgrade and rebuilt from scratch, while the other hive retains the user installed applications and settings info, etc.

    (btw. please edit the title if you can. I was wondering what putting a laptop ON the freezer would achieve.)
     
  7. Paloseco

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    I'm not sure you will be better doing a clean install, provided that it works well for you now. I think Windowws 10 updates nowadays try perform pretty much like a clean install, so first try. i have so much installed apps and configured things that don't even bother, I just prefer to buy a new computer if I have to do that.

    About the title, yeah it means INSIDE the freezer, I can't edit the title, let's see if admins do it for me.
     
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    Ok, I'll give it a shot.
     
  9. Arrrrbol

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    I think the problem with that Sony is the thermal paste. Its a few years old now and that stock thermal paste turns to powder within two years. You'd likely see temperature drops of 10-15 degrees after a repaste.
     
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    I think it must be it, because I don't recall having the shutdown issue back in the 2011 when I bought it. Can you recommend me a good tutorial about how to do it?
     
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