Graphics Card upgrade for M6800 ?

Discussion in 'Dell Latitude, Vostro, and Precision' started by derei, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. Tay Caldwell

    Tay Caldwell Newbie

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    Aaron,

    I concur about g-sync working via the drivers, which are new (late 2019) on the Tesla M6. While a blade or server card, it too is workstation geared and logic would tell us it does support what workstations usually support (Commons or Common Criteria). I believe the solution for non-working HDMI or peripherals could be former 'Nvidia Inspector" settings. I had it on with things such as annoying overlays and other in-game changes. Use the latest, read carefully, or just do a default setting 'reset' to it all and start from there. Display Port should work for TV output, however some HDMI nvidia drivers have to be installed and confirmed for HDMI or S/PDIF, then selected in Windows 10 for the audio out to work via HDMI cable. IT happens on Radeon cards as well.

    So, in short. Here's the 'Nvidia Inspector' link. Reset all or turn off that which is causing problems be it g-sync, overlays, sound, or hard selection of cable direction and usage. It has lots of config so it may take time.

    https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/nvidia_inspector.html

    Have the user try that. Reset if without success, reboot, try again. It worked for me on a couple issues.
     
  2. senso

    senso Notebook Deity

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    Supposedly Tesla cards are for compute only and dont have any working hardware that will give you video, be it either HDMI or DisplayPort..
    They are MXM all right, but made for high density compute, hence being used in blade servers, their reason to exist is that they support multiple instances of GPU virtualisation, aka, can be passed in chunks to various VM's so the VM's can use then to generate visualisation data that is then piped out of the server via TCP/IP, not via any usual video out like HDMI/DP.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/tesla-m6.c2818

    Be aware of that, because you might end up with a "brick" in your hands.

    Better off to just grab a 980m, its the same core, and you can OC it to near 1060 levels.
     
  3. Tay Caldwell

    Tay Caldwell Newbie

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    I 'get that' but I know a bit about microprocessors, Sochis, Quorus, Agia, TSO, GMZ Core Final, WebCore, Pogi etc, etc and all over the Mazza and Universe I never ever seen a chip fabbed (or etched for that matter) from the same 'silicon' (bad word, it's hybrid elemental ah la hi-gate metal or plastique, or greenbo molecules) that wasn't from the same spec# build. Hi-Gate and Plastique are good through .000000003 microns maybe more...Moving on, I tell myself a Maxwell is a Maxwell is a Maxwell...how can't it be.

    Yes I want new Thomas System Optimize (TSO) out now with full assimilation of all code into V++ and new Xena (DirectX to those under a rock)...getting off topic so I will stop for now. When they arrive, and it will arrive, I'll send this whole thread forum a new package sochi with choice of eyepiece OS license.
     
  4. senso

    senso Notebook Deity

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    Maxwell is Maxwell, more or less...
    Not all dies are the same, for example a 960m is based on the N16P-GX-A1, while a 980m is based on the N16E-GX-A1, they share the same architecture, not the same die.
    Just like all Core I, Celeron and Pentium cores from a given generation all share the same die, but they have cores and features disabled due to impurities/failed silicon, that is done to raise yields..
    Intel does, AMD does, Nvidia does, Samsung, Mediatek, Huawei, etc,etc,etc, its just a matter of maximising die output.

    Most likely Tesla M6 are dies with defective digital outputs, so they get them fused off and sold as a Tesla M6, as simple as that. And even better, now its a Quadro card that as a couple bits turned on to allow virtualisation pass-trough, so instead of being worth 100€ they are worth 1000€

    I didn't understand the lower half of your message, lost in translation?
     
  5. Tay Caldwell

    Tay Caldwell Newbie

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    TSO, it will make it around Earth soon enough. Not an SOC, its SOCHI, a packaged advanced processor circuit of more than one design. Most advanced stuff in All Light. DIG has it, I'll post it when I can. No joke, no fluff, just real advancements. I always knew it was illegal to etch a circuit, as they have to be 3D (2.5 is barely legal, no jokes) and also needs to be electronic. Think for one minute what would happen if a small bit of code formed an energy arc from direct current, organized into a spine blade, then you can get what's called 'straight current 6'...everything would run on 1-2 watts, same on voltage. I went to Cal Tech in the 80's, these things were easy lab work. I'm tired, way off topic and we should get back to my risk taking Dell decisions. When I get the DL, I will post it, we click install, and you'll know what I mean.


    I'm asking Nvidia directly about the product, if I owned the company I'd only see them about 3 times a year and once every 5 years. Don't ask why I know that.

    Cheers to all who keep this forum intelligent, liberal minded (not political), and into new updates, upgrades, and progress while enjoying computing!

    Did Inspector work Aaron?
    -Tay
     
  6. Aaron44126

    Aaron44126 Notebook Prophet

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    I had to go and look this up...
    The user in question is @supermoth and he did the Tesla installation nearly two years ago. You can read the story here (over the next few pages):
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m6800-owners-thread.736278/page-105

    Looks like it ended up working after initially not providing anything on the laptop display when powering on. Optimus enabled may be required (the card itself won't output to the laptop screen, it has to go through the Intel GPU). Best I can tell, he never explicitly stated whether other display outputs (HDMI/DP) work or not.
     
  7. Tay Caldwell

    Tay Caldwell Newbie

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    Aaron,

    Well, glad we chatted again because it wasn't HDMI or DP. I called Nvidia and the Tesla M6 doesn't support G-Sync (new adaptive-sync). Truth, inspector might be able to force 120hz on the card since it is maxwell 2.0 but that is risky business. I'm going to keep the 970M and new cert g-sync screen before seeking another vid card. I am looking at 980M (positive results), P3000 (need more research but P5000 works in M6700, and long shot (no pun intended) is GTX 1060 Mobile (no max-q). 1060 is reporting some issues, same with 1070 but it doesn't mean they don't work.

    Personally, I'd like a P3200 or 1060, P5000 just isn't within my demands and I'm doing well right now, G-Sync is just one more improvement, especially on the eyes and focus.

    Bios changes aside, there are lots of tweaks and mods that can be done without a bios re-flash such as bios configs, nvidia inspector changes or registry/group policy edits. Much to learn.

    Aaron, lay it out right now...what do you think???? 980M is safe, 1060 is better if they take returns for 30 days. I won't RDP blade card at this time meaning the priors like AMD S7100x, 2k cores, 8GB ram because it's a server blade card like the Tesla M6. I will research more, 980 on target 1060 in research mode. Missed a 1060 for 250 last month, P3000 for 250 as well, eBay, US sellers with used cards (Dell or HP Z series).

    I sell the whole thing, get a new machine with a 1660 ti...good for a month or two, right ;)
     
  8. Aaron44126

    Aaron44126 Notebook Prophet

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    From someone who actually tried the P5000 in the M6700... I had to go back to M5000M because the P5000 was unstable (BSOD every few days). I tried lots of things to fix it without success. I think that the power demand on the system was too high. (P5000 can draw around 120W while the top Maxwell cards are locked at 100W.)

    @DynamiteZerg has a working P5000+M6800 config and that is the only such one that I am aware of that hasn't had issues from the handful of users who have tried it.

    For any Pascal card you have to flash on a compatible, older engineering sample vBIOS for it to work in the M6700 or with Windows in the M6800. (Pascal cards can run in Linux on the M6800 without a flash.) You can't flash the card on the M6700 either because you cannot boot into any OS with the card installed (until it is flashed) — you have to flash it in a different machine or with a hardware flasher. You can flash it on the M6800 by booting Linux. Compatible vBIOS images have been found for P3000, P4000 (no turbo boost), and P5000. Compatible vBIOS images have not been found for any GeForce 1000-series cards. I rather doubt that you will be able to get a GeForce 1060 or 1070 to work with Windows without taking extraordinary measures. (See @JEAMN's thread on 1070+M6800.) I personally say stick with GeForce 980M or Quadro M5000M and if that doesn't meet your needs, start thinking about a whole new system. :p
     
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  9. Tay Caldwell

    Tay Caldwell Newbie

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    I am perplexed. I am finding good deals on 980M 8GB and 980 6GB. Any word on the 6GB memory or bios? Are they unusual to Western markets? Both appear new and unbranded. They claim to work with Dell M6800 and that sounds correct. I haven't seen a 6 GB memory 980M on eBay or techpowerup.com until now.

    I am picking one and going with it . I like the larger memory but we will see how the g-sync does.
     
  10. TheQuentincc

    TheQuentincc Notebook Consultant

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    6GB GTX980M is probably a GTX970M while the 8GB one is a real GTX980M, as for G-SYNC, it worked with my GTX970M and Quadro P4000 on my M6700 using Displayport output, G-SYNC on internal screen is far more complicated and would not work
     
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