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Good news for Latitude X1 owners!

Discussion in 'Dell Latitude, Vostro, and Precision' started by ivar, Feb 24, 2008.

  1. danieldenham

    danieldenham Notebook Enthusiast

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    Did you try the KingSpec 32GB SSD yet? This is half the price of the MTRON that others have used.
    Daniel
     
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    danieldenham Notebook Enthusiast

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    TonyCzar Notebook Enthusiast

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    Those of you who are using Windows 7 on your X1... what's your experience been over time? Is it still working well? Have you found any limitations?
     
  5. pierredubois1

    pierredubois1 Newbie

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    Hello everyone!
    I would like to make my first post ever about my experience with my X1.
    I got it in an auction a couple of months ago and I can say that none of the above comments are exaggerated. The X1 is a great machine, VERY light and not at all shy when it comes to perform any task. I was concerned about the RAM limitations but after reading about the 2GB possibilities, I decided to try it and it all worked fine. I used M$ XP SP3 and even though it shows 1.9 - 2GB instead of 2,25Gb, I am more than pleased with the result.
    Also I did change the original 60GB PATA HD with a 120GB ZIF connector and an adapter. All because you guys mentioned the possibility to do so. I did considered the SSD option but I wanted a cheap, larger HD. I did see the problem of space but decided to remove the rubber corners inside the X1 HD space. Turned the HD upside down and adjusted all cables into position and voilà! It works under Windows and Kubuntu environment, and the KB doesn't stick out, which is a BIG plus.
    Now comes the question for you:
    I have read this thread at least 3 times concerning HDs and I couldn't find the answer to the following. I did read (somewhere, can't remember any more where) that somebody mentioned the fact that after a HD replacement, he/she noticed the HD light on and off every couple of minutes, without being connected to the internet or doing any task. This happens to me also. I did have XP and I read that this might be a Windows issue. It sounded like a bang every 2-3 seconds. I know the HD is ok cause I did test it throughfully before installing it. Then I decided to test it under Linux conditions and got Kubuntu on it. I don't hear the "beat" any more but i do see the light go off a bit and the monitor shows the HD activity up and down at regular intervals. The computer is not on the internet, just to make sure that no updates or connections are made, minimizing the "risk" of extra activity.
    Can anyone confirm if they have seen this behaviour under M$. I do know the normal computer processes have some regular activity but this one was driving me crazy. Again the computer was not connected to the internet under both tests but all OS updates where done.
    Thank you in advance for any help you can provide and please keep the excellent savvy comments going, they have really helped me a lot!!
     
  6. ivar

    ivar Notebook Deity

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    Welcome to the thread!

    I can't confirm this HDD activity neither under windows Xp nor under Linuxes (including the Ubuntu derivative linux Mint). I have Samsung 120GB with ZIF connector. It might be related to your pagefile/swapping settings under XP/Linux.
     
  7. pierredubois1

    pierredubois1 Newbie

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    Dear Deity ;)
    How can I check the pagefile/swapping in XP? I know ubuntu does the partitioning by itself for swapping memory but I have no idea how XP would do such a thing. I have never experienced such activity in any laptop/desktop. I use the same custom XP version (nlite) for all computers and never have random behaviour.
    Thanks for the reply!
     
  8. ivar

    ivar Notebook Deity

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    It's not about partitions under linux, it's about how frequently the swap partition is addressed. It is regulated by the swappiness parameter. You can change it (google for it).
    I already don't remember how I set the pagefile settings. I use XP so rarely now. Your problem also could be a HDD firmware issue. Do you have Toshiba or Samsung?

    EDIT:

    This may turn out to be my last post on this forum:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5054098#post5054098

    Thanks to everybody for sharing his/hers experience in this thread.
    Love your X1 as I do love truth and may get banned for telling too much of it (about Putin's Russia in the political off topic forum).
     
  9. pierredubois1

    pierredubois1 Newbie

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    Hello again Ivar,
    Sorry about the delayed answer but I just got an xbox1 to chip and I can't get it work with the BIOS and dash and such...
    As far as I can remember the HD is a Samsung but I can't be certain about it. I remember Kubuntu's partition showing a samsung, but I have read so much about X1 HD that is all a big spaghetti in my head.
    I will google the swappiness parameter and the HD firmware update.
    Hope you get back soon into the forum!
    Best of luck!
    PD
     
  10. ivar

    ivar Notebook Deity

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    A better/smaller zif <> 1.8 ide adapter is available now: [​IMG]

    I make this post as an exception.
     
  11. SoylentGreen

    SoylentGreen Newbie

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    Where can this be purchased?

    Also, now that this thread is almost 2 years old, are there any new 1.8" SSD's on the market that are better than the MTRON? I'm finding that the MTRON is getting more difficult to find, and is still around $250.
     
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    Not sure the Photofast is available in the US, and they seem to be extremely expensive.

    As for the RunCore, would it be the PATA ZIF plus a converter, or would their PATA IDE version (link) work without a converter?

    Also, why does the controller matter?
     
  15. SoylentGreen

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    Ok, so I've been looking for an SSD for days now. This is quite frustrating, so I'm gonna rant here.

    I don't know why it's so difficult to buy an SSD. Newegg has no 1.8" PATA drives, Amazon has like two or three no-name brands. In fact all of the SSD's available online are made by small Japanese companies I've never heard of, and with prices that I might as well buy a premium laptop. The 64GB Photofast is $400! :eek:

    There are millions of laptops sold with SSD drives. So why can't I just buy an Intel or Toshiba SSD drive? :confused:

    Is it really worth buying a $400 64GB SSD, versus the $50 Toshiba 60gb 4,200rpm hard drive?

    /end rant.

    PS- Just wanted to say that this forum is awesome. You guys are very knowledgeable, but obviously have a lot of disposable income :D
     
  16. BASpro

    BASpro Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello everyone:

    I purchased the Photofast 1.8" 50-Pin IDE V4 128G ssd for my Dell X1, because of its high speed ratings (128MB/s read, 90MB/s write) as listed in its specifications - note those ratings are for ATA133/ATA-7/UDMA-6, where the Dell X1 IDE will run at UDMA-5, so the results will be less.

    Here are my scores:

    w/ Photofast 50-IDE V4 128G (rated at 128MB/s read, 90MB/s write @ UDMA-6), Windows XP SP3
    CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
    Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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    Sequential Read : 85.043 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 38.246 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 77.890 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 26.593 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB : 11.180 MB/s
    Random Write 4KB : 2.814 MB/s

    Test Size : 100 MB
    Date : 2010/01/26 23:29:08

    My concern is: on my X1 the write speeds cap out at 38MB/s on this drive; however, ATA100/ATA-6/UDMA-5 supports burst write speeds up to 90MB/s. Why is this drive not performing faster on this machine? Is it a defect/limitation of the X1, or is it a defect/limitation of the drive? - I need your help to answer this question.

    Intel IDE chip info (used on X1) can be found here: www.intel.com/assets/pdf/datasheet/301473.pdf
    ATA100 standard can be found here: http://t13.org/FTPSite/Default.aspx; log onto ftp site with given password and search for d1410r3b-ATA-ATAPI-6.pdf

    Could you help me with:
    1. Help me troubleshoot this capped write speed - I'm trying to determine if the X1 can sustain write speeds greater than 38MB/s; based on a previous post using a different SSD it appears that it can, and I want to verify it;
    2. Post your benchmarks for all SSDs running on your X1 - be sure to indicate the exact SSD model, because they vary in read/write speed ratings, and OS version.

    Thanks! All the best, Mass
     
  17. BASpro

    BASpro Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello ricoFR69:

    Could you repost your results of this test please? A screen capture of the test results would be helpful; please include the exact model of the SSD.

    Thanks. All the best, Mass
     
  18. nwpawe

    nwpawe Notebook Guru

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    Also random write looks kind of low.
    Is it V4 drive for sure and not V3 or V2?
     
  19. JonnyRocketDisk

    JonnyRocketDisk Company Representative

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    The Mtron 1.8" SSD can be purchased here for $229.99 - http://rocketdisk.com/listProducts.aspx?q=ProductLine&ID=8 - as always! The full Product Spec Guide is also right there on the product pages to download as a PDF. As far as we know, it is still the only SLC SSD in its product category.

    On eBay there are 2 adaptors that are very popular with Netbook owners. The item numbers are 250400188551 and 250400171185.
     
  20. nwpawe

    nwpawe Notebook Guru

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    Actually, according to Photofast product pages G-Monster 1.8 IDE V4 does not use indilinx controller, so that explains the low performance. 1.8 IDE V3 has indilinx, but apparently is no longer in production.
     

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