Get Desktop (server) now or wait?

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  1. Kyle

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    Looking for a server with at least 512GB of ram, I can wait 6 months if the next gen of CPU will be out.

    I am currently looking at the the HP Z8 (something like the Dell Precision 7920).

    For me memory capacity is the main requirement, I would like it to be expandable in the future.

    One current option is a dual CPU config with Xeon Gold 5222 Processor (4 Core, up to 3.90Ghz, 16.5M Cache)
    The intel specs say it the memory capacity of the CPU is 1TB.

    Are there better CPUs coming out in 4-5 months? If so, will they allow more RAM capacity than 1TB?

    Also, neither the Dell Precision 7920 nor the HP Z8 seem to have an option for AMD cpus. Why is that? I gather AMD has better CPUs now?
     
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    Leaked 12-core Ice Lake server ES nearly 100 percent faster than Cascade Lake in Geekbench, takes the fight to EPYC Milan notebookcheck.net | 2020/02/10

    A leaked Geekbench listing for Intel's upcoming Ice Lake server parts shows massive performance gains. The 12-core Ice Lake server ES delivers nearly the same multithreaded performance as a 24-core Cascade Lake part.

    Intel's monolithic die design means that more cores cost exponentially more to manufacture. If Intel can bring Ice Lake Xeons to the market, delivering more performance with fewer cores, it could mean the end for AMD's server ambitions, even as Team Red preps EPYC Milan.
     
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    When are these expected to ship?
     
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    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    I don't know. But AMD have put pressure on Intel now so we may see it at the end of the year.
     
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    It looks like a real problem trying to find deskside / desktop tower servers, here's a few I found so far, and they have buildable configurations with 2nd gen EPYC CPU's as options for the build:

    SuperMicro A+ Server 4023S-TRT
    https://www.thinkmate.com/system/a+-server-4023s-trt

    Gigabyte W291-Z00
    https://www.thinkmate.com/system/gigabyte-w291-z00
    https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Tower-Server/W291-Z00-rev-100#ov

    TWX QS4-14E1
    https://www.thinkmate.com/system/twx-qs4-14e1

    Avadirect:
    https://www.avadirect.com/search?sc=&sq=epyc+server

    Supermicro A+ Server 4023S-TRT
    https://www.avadirect.com/Supermicr...ount-Tower-Server-Computer/Configure/11535865

    Here's a few rackmount Epyc servers, maybe you can search, call, or chat to find out if Dell is going to offer deskside / desktop tower versions? => Questions? Call 1-877-302-3355 or Chat

    Dell PowerEdge R7515 Rack Server
    Powerful performance and scalability
    The Dell EMC PowerEdge R7515 is a single-socket 2U server designed to handle workloads like software-defined storage, virtualization and data analytics.
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-r7515
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/povw/poweredge-r7515
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/poweredge-rack-servers/sf/poweredge-rack-servers?~ck=bt

    Single Socket Epyc
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/povw/poweredge-r6515
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-r6515

    Dell EMC Epyc Content...
    https://www.youtube.com/user/EMCCorp/search?query=EPYC

    Introducing PowerEdge Single-Socket Servers Powered by 2nd Gen AMD EPYC
    Sep 17, 2019
    Dell EMC
    Redesigned and reimagined with 2nd gen AMD EPYC processors, the new PowerEdge R6515 and R7515 provide you with the tools you need to tackle modern workloads.


    Dual Socket Epyc
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/povw/poweredge-r6525
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/poweredge-r6525/pe_r6525_13783_vi_vp

    Dual Socket Epyc
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/povw/poweredge-r7425
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-r7425

    Dell's new Epyc Rome Poweredge R7525
    https://dellservervr.dell.com/poweredge-r7525/

    Dell EMC PowerEdge R7525: 2-Socket Server w/2nd Gen AMD EPYC
    Jan 30, 2020
    Dell EMC
    The PowerEdge R7525 features 2nd Gen AMD EPYC CPUs and is ideal for all-flash software-defined storage (SDS), virtual desktop infrastructure and data analytics workloads.


    HPE AND AMD – WHEN YOU NEED EPYC PERFORMANCE
    HPE ProLiant Servers with 2nd Gen AMD EPYC™ delivers record breaking performance.
    https://www.hpe.com/us/en/solutions/amd.html
    http://www.hpezone.com/technologies/gen10/
    https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=epyc+server&N=4814 100283198 601311312

    I'll see what else I can dig up :)

    This guy thinks Dell killed the AMD based Optiplex servers last year, and so far I can't find updates on when new Optiplex models with AMD CPU's will be coming out from DELL.

    Intel + DELL K*I*S*S*I*N*G, once again? ;)

    Dell no longer selling Optiplex or Server lines with AMD CPU's [5 months ago]
    I do not have any proof besides my word so take this for what you think it's worth.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...er_selling_optiplex_or_server_lines/?sort=new

    "I am a Technology Director for a K-12 school district and we had been buying Optiplex 5055's which run a Ryzen 1600 Pro CPU. This week we were told they were EOL'ing that SKU and there would no longer be an Optiplex option that runs AMD cpu's from our sales rep.

    When I inquired further he said that their internal messaging on the matter is still "muddy" but it looks like they are pulling AMD from all "Buisness class" products, i.e. Optiplex and * Poweredge * lines. [he later struck through Poweredge]

    This part is just my opinion, but it sure seems like "someone" leaned on Dell to make this happen.

    I'm concerned with price to performance. ** The alternative options we were given that were comparable to the AMD system we were buying were $300-$350 more expensive. ** As the IT Director of a K-12 district price to performance is king. Couldn't care less who's parts it ends up being but currently AMD does own the price to performance crown as far as I can tell and Dell not having them as an option is concerning.

    Edit: * Looks like the server side is still getting some AMD options based on comments below. Information I was given was directly from our Sales rep at Dell.

    Edit2:** Dell has gotten back with us and given us the option of continuing to purchase 5055's while those units last or to switch to a 5070 equipped with an i5-8400 that beats the pricing of the 5055 we were buying by around $50 per system. They did say that they expect the 5055 to be completely EOL'ed by December and no longer available after that point."

    Evilbred 5 months ago
    "I just contacted Dell as a perspective server buyer. They currently do offer Naples CPUs and will be offering Rome when it comes out. Maybe there was confusion in the listed offerings?"

    I'm assuming that's for the rack-mount models, but it's worth a call to Dell to make sure.

    mwiltshire776 5 months ago
    "We recently purchased a lab of 26 optiplex 5055s running the 2400g. It was hard enough to get them to admit that it existed and kept 'accidentally sending intel SKUs when asked for quotes.

    My experience with DELL is they are very Anti-AMD and only stock either crap or lock the decent products behind a 'call for quote' restriction."

    It's always been a battle with Dell to get AMD products, so I'd suggest calling through a bunch of sales and marketing nexus inside of Dell - different business units - to see if anyone has any news on the Optiplex replacements - AMD of any kind.

    I did finally find a Dell Optiplex 5055 AMD link at the top of this page, but it "redirects too many times" and the browser aborts... convenient. :)

    OptiPlex 5055 AMD
    Fully featured business desktops with new AMD® Ryzen PRO™ and 7th gen AMD®PRO-A series processors for demanding applications and multitasking.

    And, under the Tower Servers, no AMD are listed:
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-poweredge-servers/sc/servers/poweredge-tower-servers

    But, under "Home" I did a search and found these - with no photo's or images - I can't tell if they really are Home desksides, or just another link into the rackmount sku's, but it might be a good place to start a chat with Dell:

    https://www.dell.com/koa/search?q=amd epyc#q=amd epyc&t=default&sort=relevancy&layout=card&@dpsalessegment:radioGroup=dhs

    If you've got 6 months, maybe start beating on Dell and your other favorite suppliers to start offering what you need. :)
     
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    Intel 10nm ‘Ice Lake SP’ 14 Core Server CPU Gets First Selfie On SiSoft Sandra, Over 54% IPC Improvement wccftech.com | Today

    It's official: Intel's high-performance 10nm is finally here. After what seems like years of waiting, Intel's high-performance 10nm processors have entered final testing stages and the tell-tale leaks are beginning to sprout everywhere. After trialing 10nm low power in low volume production a year or so back, it seems like Intel is finally snapping out of its reverie and overcoming this increasingly tall obstacle. This particular leak showcases a 10nm 14-core/28-thread part that unless I am very much mistaken had its sibling benchmarked just a few days ago on Geekbench.

     
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    Many many thanks @hmscott
    I was wondering where to get amd builds :)
     
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