G-SYNC at 60Hz on laptops 1080p vs 4K ?

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  1. IKAS V

    IKAS V Notebook Prophet

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    With the new 10xx desktop GPU's showing up in more laptops it got me wondering what screens get the most benefit with G-Sync .
    I'm planning on either getting a 15" MSI, CLEVO or ASUS laptop (maybe looking at others)with GTX 1070 so my big question is I'm planning on targeting 1080p Ultra/Very high settings at 60FPS for most games but also wondering if I can get a smooth enough experience using a 4K screen that uses G-Sync.
    Truthfully I don't now much about G-Sync only that it synchronizes display refresh rates to the GPU eliminating screen tearing and minimizing display stutter and input lag.
    I realize targeting 60FPS at 4K will be very hard to do with most demanding games but will G-Sync still be effective at 4K? Will I get half that using G-Sync at 4K ( 30 FPS )?
    Like I said earlier I have not had the opportunity of using G-Sync in any form yet so any input would be greatly appreciated.
    I also see going up in size to 17" laptops that some screens are rated to 75Hz would that help?
    Not really into huge bulky laptops but if it helps with gaming I see that MSI has a new GS73 VR that uses a 120Hz display but "only" uses a GTX 1060.
    I say only but I'm still blown away we are finally blurring the line and there are really no more desktop vs mobile decisions to be made.
    Thanks
     
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    I say only but I'm still blown away we are finally blurring the line and there are really no more desktop vs mobile decisions to be made.[/QUOTE]

    Great thread.

    I have an older MSI GT70 with a GTX675m and I too am excited about the 10xx series, Its going to be a whole new experience.

    As far as Gsync goes I bought a Dell 2716G monitor, it's 1440p and Gsync capable, I run a GTX 980Ti and I'm getting great FPS with everything maxed out. BF4 runs in the 120's I also have payed DOOM 2016, and FO4 they all play amazing, not sure what FPS though. I don't know how much of this is Gsync or just the step up in technology but my gaming experience has been amazing. The only Gsync issue I ran into was that Fallout 4 has a FPS lock that caused problems with Gsync so it can be limited by a specific game. .

    I'm now looking at getting a laptop with a 120Hz Gsync screen, I'm almost certain which model I'm getting but I'm still reading up on them.
     
  3. ryanev84

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    4k will look the same as 1080p on a 15in screen
     
  4. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

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    Uh... That's not really true, there is eventually a point of dimishing returns but I can tell the difference between a 13" 1440p and 2160p Razer Blade Stealth, so 4k vs 1080p on a 15" screen is still quite easy to tell the difference between. It really just depends if your trying to game at 4k or not. GSync works best when struggling to run titles... So depends what you want to try to do.

    Edit: but like I've seen 1440p and 4k phones and they look pretty indistinguishable.
     
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    It won't...
    Currently 4K 17'3 display is far superior than 1080P or 15'6 4K. Since human eye can see very high resolutions... 1080p seems pathetic.
    You will not only again extreme crispy image with passive anty-alising but also x4 deeper image compared to low resolutions. Besides... 4K 17'3 panel has 100% AdobeRGB and is 8bit.
    60Hz and G-Sync will be (is) enough for gaming (best possible graphics quality) but also extreme in professional use (rendering, graphics, image, engineering).

    Personally I noticed extreme upgrade when playing Battlefield 4 as sniper... Due to x4 more pixels with >1km range now I can see (and recognize) players without any issues... on 1080p it was just a "stain".

    15'6 and 4K laptops are mainly bad combo since they have worse parameters and... 15'6 is very small... Even 1080p isn't very comfortable (at least for me) on such size.

    The new 4K screens in Clevo's have G-Sync (and 18' Asus). There is no better screen available for notebook.

    Next thing is GPU... 4K is much more demanding and GPU will run much hotter. 15'6 might have weaker cooling...
     
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    Great comments. So can you fill me in on the hub bub over 4K laptops screen gaming. I've read there are scaling issues? Don't really know much about it. Say I went with a 17.3 Clevo with a 1070 and the 4K Gsync display, what problems would I face?


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  7. Knight666

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    For me there is no scaling issues except old Unreal Engine 4 which had "bug" when used scaling. But it was UE4 issue and was solved.
    Some icones are smaller, but everything is readable and sharp. You will have no issues and will be able to put x4 more data on display. It's quite useful, for example in World of Warcraft I have small "world annihilation control center".

    Look on my video, here you should see proportions on 17'3 4K Display when scaled to 1080p by youtube. Personally I love it since it covers less space and it's even easier to read. Didn't scaled it up.
    *Remember: If you scale 4K youtube to 1080p display it won't be sharp on video, since it will convert 4 pixels into 1 (huge quality loss). So don't be afraid.


    Summarizing issues/problems/dislikes you may face:
    - Smaller icones (can be scaled)
    - Smaller game UI (in most modern games can be scaled to 200%, like AW, WoW etc) // but it still will be readable and sharp leaving you more display space.
    - Some launchers aren't scaling (like World of Tanks one, but World of Warships, Battle.net etc works fine).
    - You may think that image can't be so sharp (and doesn't need AA) and you will check your coffee for drugs.


    You will need some time (month I guess) to get used to this display (but after any change you need some time). This is positive one.
    I'm very happy with my single 980M and 4K screen, with 1070 should be pretty nice since it's 50% more powerful.
     
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  8. PrimeTimeAction

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    I have one question. If you have a 4K 17.3 inch and you play games on 1440P / 1080P on that screen, is the image quality as good as a native 1440P / 1080P or is there a quality loss.
    I am asking this because i have noticed that on my current 1080P screen laptop, the 720P doesn't look as good as a native 720P screen.
     
  9. Knight666

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    There are only 2 good settings for 4K.
    - Native 4K settings (I always use this resolution, even in Warcraft 3 lol but there is 1 exception)
    - FHD (4 pixels into 1, <square>) and this only exception is DOOM (980M can't provide high and stable FPS in 4K).

    1440P generates bigger quality loss than 1080p using 2160p screen (4k/uhd). 1440p and 720p would be good combo (again 4:1 pixels).
    You want to avoid fuzzy pixels, squares gives you best scaling visual performance.
     
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  10. Kevin

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    Max settings at 1080p will look better than lower settings at 4K.

    Don't go 4K.
     
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