Ford to end US car sales besides Mustang

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  1. hmscott

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    It only makes sense if they are talking petrol/diesel vehicles. Stop making new fossil fuel sedans / cars, sure, of course, new cars are all going to be predominantly electric in the next decade.

    Shift them to Europe and developing countries without adequate electrical grid infrastructure, they'll be needed there.

    Then Ford can roll out their own electric vehicles, or buy someone that is making them and brand them as their own.

    Electric Trucks for load moving or towing seems like a bad idea for that demographic, maybe crossover SUV's serving as people movers will cover that ground, so to speak.

    Family cars, 2 door, 4 door, hatchbacks, single passenger, all electric.

    Ford's ahead of the curve dropping the dinosaur burners now. :)
     
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  2. Syndrome

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    Because they can seat 5 or 6(same as a sedan) and you can also tow with them, or simply move items in the bed, much bigger items than a sedan can move.
     
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    Yes, because every car owner moves bed or what not on a daily basis.

    You are a construction worker in a rural area. Of course a truck is a better option than a sedan.
    Me, for example, an office worker, with a job in a (European) city centre, where parking space is very limited, and a truck is just too big. Moreover I'm not moving apartments on a daily basis (last time I did, one trip in my Jetta, which by the way isn't even the biggest sedan, was sufficient), so truck is really useless.

    Just like I've said, different cars suit different lifestyles.
     
  4. saturnotaku

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    No, they're not.
     
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    Do tell. :)

    What do you think the mix of new vehicles will be by the end of the next decade, by say... 2028?
     
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    80-90 percent ICE. There will be more gas/electric and plug-in vehicles but BEVs and EREVs (eg Chevy Volt, BMW i3) will remain a very small percentage of sales.


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    There will be many changes between now and then, but there are many pledges from countries to remove ICE vehicles from cities and to stop sales of ICE vehicles as well.

    "China, India, France and the United Kingdom all have announced plans to phase out vehicles powered by combustion engines and fossil fuels between 2030 and 2040."

    "The news comes hot on the heels of the Scottish government’s announcement that it plans to phase out petrol and diesel cars by 2032."

    "In July, the UK government unveiled plans to halt the production of new petrol and diesel cars from 2040."

    "France has also said it will ban sales of petrol and diesel cars by 2040."

    "The Netherlands wants all new cars to be emissions free by 2030 - effectively banning petrol and diesel sales."

    "Last year, it was widely reported that Norway was planning to phase out diesel and petrol cars by 2025."

    "Last year Germany’s Bundesrat passed a resolution to ban the internal combustion engine starting in 2030."

    "The Indian government has announced that it wants to sell only electric cars within the next 13 years."

    "According to the International Energy Agency, Austria, Denmark, Ireland, Japan, Portugal, Korea and Spain have set official targets for electric car sales."

    "The US doesn't have a federal policy, but at least eight states have set out goals, says the IEA."

    "In July, Volvo announced that every model it launches from 2019 will have an electric motor."

    Countries are announcing plans to phase out petrol and diesel cars. Is yours on the list?
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...-petrol-and-diesel-cars-is-yours-on-the-list/

    And, many makers are doing the same:

    Volvo aims for half of its sales to be fully electric by 2025
    It said last year that by 2019 all new models would be electric or hybrid.
    https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/25/volvo-aims-half-of-sales-fully-electric-2025/

    Ford plans $11 billion investment, 40 electrified vehicles by 2022
    https://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCAKBN1F30YZ-OCABS

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    If all of these and more come to pass the predominant % of new car models by 2030 will be electric in nature.
     
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    So perhaps ICE will be near-dead in the nations that are explicitly banning them by that time frame (surprise surprise), but what of markets which are not implementing such a ban?

    I'm going to guess that by 2030, pure electric cars still won't be a majority within places like the US. Ditto for any place where the average person couldn't afford such a car.
     
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    The electricity to charge and maintain battery-powered vehicle fleets has to come from somewhere. Coal and nuclear are efficient ways to get it, but those are fast becoming verboten. Wind and solar are not nearly enough to get the job done. There's also the question of the rare earth metals that are needed to create the battery packs. A massive deposit of them was discovered off an island in Japan within the last couple months, but it will take years to determine if they're economically feasible to extract. Until then, the world is reliant on China, and as we all know they have a wonderful record for human rights and environmental preservation.

    Brazil has done a remarkable job adapting its internal combustion engines and fueling infrastructure for sustainability. Nearly all of that country's vehicles are capable of using Ethanol from sugar cane. Once scientists crack the code for productive extraction of cellulose Ethanol, it will get even better. http://sugarcane.org/sugarcane-products/ethanol

    Toyota has the most realistic outlook, IMO. The company has set 2050 as its target for meeting six environmental goals. http://www.toyota-global.com/sustainability/environment/challenge2050/

    Until that time, ICE isn't going anywhere, no matter what the bureaucrats will tell you.
     
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