Expected release of next gen of Nvidia GPUs

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  1. ddomaster

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    LIVE!
    Maybe this time!??

     
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    Naah...
    Just Deep learning, DGX and stuff.

    At least some excited about it.
     
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    jeremyshaw Big time Idiot

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    Well Xavier is finally available. 12nm FFN instead of 16nm FFT. Looks like after the 40nm fiasco, Nvidia is getting closer to the fab to get what they want.
     
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    Responding to questions from press at a Q&A session in Taipei, Nvidia’s CEO said the highly anticipated GPUs won’t launch for “a long time from now.”
     
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    If Nvidia is making Pascal on 7nm TSMC process (same as refreshed Vega and Navi from AMD), then the process change would allow for 35-40% increase in performance (according to its technical specs) vs 16nm - and if Nvidia clocks Pascal refresh further, then 50% might be doable... but 35-40% might be more realistic as we should likely stay within the expectations of what the process allows.

    AMD on the other hand should be able to achieve parity with refreshed Pascal in that case when it comes to clocks and efficiency, since 14nmLPP was not good for yields or high clocks and refreshed Vega will be made on 7nm TSMC too (though, consumer version is likely expected to be Navi, whereas Vega on 7nm is more of a AI GPU replacement for FE). I still expect AMD to draw a bit more power due to having 40% higher CU's than Nvidia, but undervolting could take care of that.
     
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    sure, sounds all fine and dandy... but WHEN is that gonna happen? plus, a lot of "ifs" here... and nothing is stopping Nvidia from releasing a Pascal refresh based on tweaked 14nm / 12nm with a bit higher clocks and a few more CUDA cores... should be enough for that extra 20% and keeping the lead over AMD ;)
     
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    Vega refresh (the AI version) is already undergoing sampling (as they have a functional silicon in the lab)... and Navi I think is expected sometime next year.
    If Nvidia releases a refresh on 12nm in the interim and achieves 20% better performance, that's fine, but that doesn't mean they would get another 35-40% increase by refreshing Pascal again on 7nm (by which time, consumer AMD GPU's on 7nm will be released and achieve parity with Nvidia's GPU on 7nm... unless Nvidia releases a completely new architecture on 7nm, and that hadn't materialized as of yet - at least, not to my knowledge).

    Also, there are no indications that Nvidia is planning a refresh of Pascal on 12nm.
    7nm refresh of Pascal seems inevitable... but I expect its release will be pretty much be the same like AMD's Navi will due to both using TSMC fabs.

    In the meantime, AMD is only planning on releasing Polaris refresh this year... and it will likely be on 12nm... but that process is still limited to low clocks and mobile parts... though it does allow for lower voltages and slightly higher clocks (mere 10% performance increase) - or simply better efficiency/power draw with no performance improvements.
     
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    30\July
    Probably "D-DATE"!
    Less than 2 months.
     
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    But will that be desktop and notebook or just desktop? Or are they all the same now?
     
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