EVOC P870DM3 Review by Phoenix

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  1. Phoenix

    Phoenix Super Tweaker

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    First and foremost, what makes this machine the beast it is, is the Prema BIOS! Without it, these are very limited machines that throttle under load or whenever the CPU+GPU are being used (ie. gaming, benchmarking, etc). Without the Prema BIOS, I would not even consider touching a Clevo laptop!

    Since HIDevolution (the system builder behind the EVOC brand) is a Prema partner, this machine will get the Prema BIOS and VBIOS as soon as it's finalized and tested.

    Benefits of Prema BIOS:


    • Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
    • The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
    • The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
    • The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
    • The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
    • Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
    • The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
    • The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
    • The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
    • The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
    • Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

    Benefits of Prema VBIOS:


    • Power throttle disabled
    • Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
    • Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
    • Core overclock slider limit raised
    • Power consumption meter activated
    • Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
    • Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
    • Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

    System Specs:

    EVOC P870DM3

    CPU: Intel Skylake i7-6700K (Silicon Lottery Delidded) @ 4.6 GHz
    RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 64GB DDR4 3000MHz RAM
    GPU: 2x GeForce GTX 1080 SLI
    8GB GDDR5
    Sound: Realtek Audio with Sound Blaster 3D Audio
    Storage: 2x Samsung 950 PRO 512GB SSD + 2x Samsung Spinpoint 5400 RPM 2TB HDD (Single Spanned 4TB Partition)
    Wireless: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265
    Screen: AUO B173QTN01.0 17.3" 3K QHD 120Hz 5ms LED Matte Type Display with G-SYNC Technology
    Mouse: Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum Wireless Gaming Mouse
    Power: 2x330W AC Power Adapters
    Operating System: Windows 10 Pro
    Warranty: 3 Year International Global Warranty which covers shipping costs both ways should anything go wrong with the laptop

    Thermal Paste: IC Diamond on the CPU and GPUs using the X Cross method to ensure maximum coverage and the least air bubbles.

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    Price as configured: $7000 USD

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    The GPU heatsink now overlaps the CPU

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    Benchmarks:

    nVIDIA GeForce Driver used during these tests: 375.95

    3DMark11 - GTX 1080 SLI - CPU 4.6 GHz-GPU Core 170MHz-Mem 300MHz
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    Fire Strike - GTX 1080 SLI - CPU 4.6 GHz-GPU Core 170MHz-Mem 300MHz

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    Time Spy - CPU 4.6 GHz-GPU Core 200MHz-Mem 300MHz

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    CINEBENCH R15

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    AS SSD Benchmark

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    CrystalDiskMark

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    AIDA64 Cache & Memory Benchmark

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    Max Temps while encoding a video @ 4.6 GHz:

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    Verdict: 7/10

    No laptop out there even comes close to this beast which can demolish even high end gaming desktop PCs! But the cramped 15 inch keyboard that they put in this 17 inch laptop is what made its overall score go lower than it could've been.
     
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    Bro, it is still throttling... from 4,600 Mhz to 4,595.5 Mhz. I would throw that laptop out in the trash (just mention before you do so I could be passing by accidentally at that time)

    Is that Prema BIOS and vBIOS an RC version or still an early beta ?
     
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    Thank you for sharing. For $7000~ it better outperform most desktops.
     
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    @Phoenix Nice review.

    Everything is looking good except your 3DM11 score seems a bit low.

    Here's a comparison:

    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11768503/3dm11/11776001

    Your GPU score seems much lower than it should be. Even though I'm running Windows 7, 10 does not affect the GPU score much only Physics.

    Go to the nVidia Control Panel and look for Power Management Mode. Change it to Adaptive if it is set to Optimal Power and rerun 3DM11.
     
  5. Phoenix

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    that's not throttling, that's fluctuation of the BCLK (Base Clock Overclocking) FSB of the motherboard. happens even on desktop CPUs unless you bump up the FSB to let's say 101 MHz instead of 100 MHz

    The throttling was before going down to 2.5 GHz during 80% of the benchmark and making my score garbage.

    The Prema BIOS is in Beta but super stable now.
     
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    my GPU is set to High Performance, texture filtering to high performance, vsync off, gsync off

    what else do you recommend?

    any comments on this @Mr. Fox
     
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    oohh snap!! I feel pwnt!

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    I'm not sure what else it could be. Check to make sure Frame Limiting isn't enabled in your overclock tool of choice (MSI Afterburner or EVGA PrecisionX):

    This is a bone stock run on my system when I first got it. GPU score is still at least 52k [Win10]

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    ohh wait a second, I overclocked using the built in GPU overclocking tool of the Clevo Control Center

    Can I use nVIDIA Inspector? @bloodhawk said you can't anymore. I don't wanna adjust the voltage, just raise the frequencies
     
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