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Durable laptop (D830, HP8510p, T61p, NP2090)

Discussion in 'What Notebook Should I Buy?' started by jin07, Jul 19, 2007.

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Which laptop?

  1. Dell 830

    9 vote(s)
    25.7%
  2. HP 8510p

    6 vote(s)
    17.1%
  3. Lenovo T61p

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  4. Sager NP2090

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  5. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. jin07

    jin07 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    1) What is your budget?
    ~2000

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?

    a. Ultraportable; 12" screen or less
    b. Thin and Light; 13" - 14" screen
    c. Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen
    d. Desktop Replacement; 17"+ screen

    Mainstream

    3) Please select your country's flag as a post icon and tell us what country are you buying this in.

    Buying in US

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?

    I don't want a macbook pro since I had to return several bad ones already.

    5) What tasks will you be performing with the notebook?

    Basic tasks mainly like surfing the net, typing, etc.

    6) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places or leaving it on your desk?

    Mainly at my desk

    7) Will you be playing games on it; if so, which games?

    Starcraft 1 and 2 when it comes out

    8) How many hours of battery life do you need?

    The more the better

    9) Do you mind buying online without seeing the notebook in person?

    Don't mind buying online

    10) What OS do you prefer? Windows (XP or Vista), Mac OS, Linux, etc.

    XP

    Screen Specifics

    11) Would you prefer standard or widescreen?

    Widescreen

    12) From the choices below, what screen resolutions would you prefer?

    Standard
    a. XGA -1024x768 - Large and easy to read text + graphics icons, but you fit less stuff on the screen.
    b. SXGA - 1400x1050 - Compromise resolution between XGA and UXGA.
    c. UXGA - 1600x1200 - Very small text and graphics icons, you can fit lots of stuff on the screen.

    Widescreen
    d. WXGA or WXGA+ - 1280x768/800 or 1440x900; Wider viewing version of XGA, good for movie viewing or spreadsheets.
    e. WSXGA+ - 1680x1050; Wider viewing version of SXGA, good for movie viewing or spreadsheets.
    f. WUXGA - 1920x1200; Wider viewing version of UXGA, good for movie viewing or spreadsheets.

    WXGA, WXGA+

    13) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen?

    Don't care

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?

    Mildly

    15) When are you buying this laptop and how long do you want this laptop to last?

    5-6 years

    Notebook Components

    16) How much hard drive space do you want; 40GB to 200GB?

    At least 100
    17) Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a DVD-ROM, DVD-CD/RW or DVD-RW drive?

    Would like DVD-RW

    Okay, now that that's out of the way time to get down to business. The main thing I'm looking for in this laptop is being able to last 5-6 years. By last for 5-6 years, I mean that the system won't break down. I know it will be out-dated at that point. In other words, build quality is vital. The secondary concern is being able to run Starcraft II when it comes out. I know no one knows what the requirements will be though. Right now I've narrowed down my choices to the Dell 830, HP 8510p, waiting for a lower screen resolution on the T61p, and the Sager NP2090. Although I don't necessarily have a company preference, with Dell's I've only seen people with horrible experiences throughout college. However, I'm assuming this is because they got the non-business class Dells. Also, I have no idea if/when Lenovo will come out with a lower resolution screen. If people recommend the T61p, I wouldn't mind waiting. The same applies to the HP since that doesn't have a confirmed release date (I think). Lastly, the Sager looks appealing because it seems like an excellent bang-for-your-buck, but I have no idea about Sager's build quality. Actually, I have practically no knowledge about Sager beyond what was in the FAQ here.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!
     
  2. jin07

    jin07 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    Thanks for the votes so far, but could anyone verbally explain which one is better?
     
  3. Han Bao Quan

    Han Bao Quan The Assassin

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    I definitely go for the Thinkpad....

    The name Thinkpad is legend of the history of technology, many true stories has proved it's quality, no one would doubt it's durable...
     
  4. Prabhash

    Prabhash Notebook Enthusiast

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    Dell should last you long enough - 5-6 year sounds like an unlikely long time to be using it (might want to check this out with a new thread for the oldest in-service laptops) - but it should definitely last you long enough.

    As for your gaming needs, its not it.

    Also, check out the Precision M4300 if you have the juice - its an enhanced D830 - improved graphics.
     
  5. skywalker

    skywalker Business Notebook FTW!!

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    T61p with widescreen and quadro gracphic card is good choice.
     
  6. Dreamer

    Dreamer The Bad Boy

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    The Quadro NVS 140 and the Quadro FX 360M are the same card with just different BIOS and drivers. Sorry to disappoint. The notebooks are almost the some too, and considering that he doesn't need OpenGL drivers, it would be waste of money.

    The T61p will never be available with any of these resolutions. It's only WUXGA, and they may offer a WSXGA+ screen some day...

    Now, of you can wait for the HP 8510p, then fine, otherwise, the Compal IFL90 (Sager NP2090) has good build quality, not up to the level of the business-class notebooks but still good, and it will have the resolutions that you want.
     
  7. jin07

    jin07 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    I'd settle for a wsxga+, I just don't want a wuxga.
     
  8. Dreamer

    Dreamer The Bad Boy

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    The Asus V1s is another business-class notebook that you can think of, it's WSXGA+ glossy with the 8600M GT, it's not yet though. :D

    Again, if you are not in hurry, then I would wait for the HP 8510p or Asus V1s and see reviews and so on... I hope they will be out before Christmas..lol ... they should be out soon (this word is relative)

    Also, you said you will be using this notebook "mainly at my desk", so the Compal is a good choice too, features like magnesium alloy chassis/lid, hdd shocks and so on... which business notebooks have matter when you carry your notebook around, otherwise, you won't benefit from them so much. The other cons are that it's thicker and heavier (which doesn't matter in your case) and the keyboard will be consumer level (judging from the previous Compal).
     
  9. Leon2245

    Leon2245 Notebook Deity

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    I voted D 830. Magnesium case, 3 year warranty standard, nice keyborad with a pointing stick, good battery life, display resolution options that better suit your preferences. There are things I liked better about the t 61 (keyboard, size/weight, appearance), but I personally would avoid it having been there done that. Poor display, repeatedly horrid customer service from lenovo- in my experience & imo only, YMMV.
     
  10. Dreamer

    Dreamer The Bad Boy

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    I recommend against the D830 due to the simple fact that the Quadro NVS 140M isn't a great card for gaming and since you want to keep this notebook for a long time and you said that you play games, then I'm sure there will be new games that you will want to play in the future.... and the NVS 140M will not be sufficient for that.

    And, I would not avoid Lenovo since they offer excellent build quality, excellent support, and very good displays - that's from my experience with them.

    However, if you have bad luck you may join to the Leon2245's club. Also, if you can get a crappy Samsung screen with Lenovo, then the same can happen with Dell, considering that they often use the same suppliers. (For example: T60 and the D820 had the same screens.)

    Honestly, that game is getting old... Leon2245. Also, when you're saying that the display is poor, then at least tell us, which exactly is the poor display?...talking about the T61p in here...the OP isn't interested in other Lenovo notebooks.
     
  11. Leon2245

    Leon2245 Notebook Deity

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    More specifically, my t 61's display was bright and had good contrast, but beyond unacceptable viewing angles and light leakage. There was no angle you could position it at that would render a completely clean display- there was either a sheen at the top or bottom depending on the angle. Dark screens had a huge arc of light shining from the bottom of the display. This is compared to any other notebook lcd I've ever owned, including vaios, toshibas, and a z series thinkpad (whos display was fine- just didn't last 2 years); Even a crappy emachines desktop monitor- I've never seen the like before on an lcd.

    This is a video of the display on RedBarron's t 61 (and he got the "good" one lol). Mine was actually quite a bit worse: poor display video.




    (FYI I'll not address personal attacks based on disagreement with my opinions. I understand and respect that others might have a different experience with different units, tastes, and standards).
     
  12. Dreamer

    Dreamer The Bad Boy

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    See, I don't have any problems with you nor with you opinion/experience. Also, it's personal in any way.

    But then again, you did not answer my question, which screen... size? resolution? also what's the manufacturer of this screen?... it's not Lenovo trust me...lol..:D j/k
     
  13. Leon2245

    Leon2245 Notebook Deity

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    t 61, 14.1", wxga+, samsung.
     
  14. Dreamer

    Dreamer The Bad Boy

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    Thank you. The thing that I wanted to make clear for the OP and others that read this thread is that the part about the poor screen in your post is not exactly connected with this thread, since he is looking for a 15.4" notebook and asking about the 15.4" T61p, which is only available with a WUXGA screen now.

    Otherwise, the crappy Samsung screens have history in both Lenovo and Dell sections, so that's nothing new... it sucks I know. :(
     
  15. Sir Joe

    Sir Joe Notebook Consultant

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    You have my attention. I am deciding between the two model, maybe you can like to have a look here http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2770714#post2770714
    and give me your opinion on the 4 options...
    I understand what you say about the 140M, but if I configure the two models with same everything, the m4300 costs me just 60 euro more.
    I have to configure the d830 with a wxga and 140m, or a wsxga+ and 135m, to save more money and give a sense to this preference. But I do not know if the wxga matte has got too bad viewing angle and can have too little res. for some things, or if the 135m can be insufficient in the future (i want the notebook to resist in time not only fisically, but also respect to the always growing standard).
    Let me know please...:eek:
     
  16. magister

    magister Notebook Consultant

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    Same exact thing with my T61 screen. Display is as bad as I've seen. Lenovo insists on charging me 15% to return the notebook. It's a 15.4" T61 WXGA w/Nividia 140.

    However, I think it's important to keep in mind that doesn't mean every T61 WXGA screen is necessarily problematic. Some are probably great. Dell typically sources from the same lcd makers as Lenovo. The NBR review of the D630 mentions colors being washed out and the D830's owners thread here has multiple mentions of bad backlight bleed. Samsung and LG are to blame for some of the poor screens they make. However, and this overrides all else for me, Lenovo wants a 15% restocking fee(and shipping costs) for me to return a product with a clearly inferior screen. I believe that HP and Dell do not charge a restocking fee. If Lenovo did the same, I would endorse them as I really like the computer except for the screen. They don't, though, and so I can't.
     
  17. allfiredup

    allfiredup Notebook Virtuoso

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    I spent a few weeks trying to decide between the ThinkPad T61p and the Dell Latitude D830. I read this and several other forums to see what people were saying about them. I also talked to a buddy of mine who is head of IT for a large company.

    The benefits of the Dell- to most, it is a bit more aethestically pleasing than the ThinkPad which looks a lot like it did before the turn of the century. It also has a 3-year warranty standard.

    The ThinkPad T61p- arguably the best screen display options in the business, more powerful graphics card, the 'perfect' keyboard according to multiple reviews and a reliability track record right up there with Toyota.

    I decided on the ThinkPad but my decision was largely influenced by a friend's offer to use her IBM Employee Discount. I didn't realize that Lenovo continued to offer EPP discounts for IBM, but luckily they do! An additional 15% off the current sale price and I ended up with a T61p with XP Pro, T7500, 2GB RAM, 160GB @ 7200rpm HD and a few other goodies for $1300. I just ordered last week and haven't received it yet, but am anxiously awaiting my new 'toy'. Merry Christmas to me.

    The hp Compaq 8510p is overpriced in comparison to the Dell and ThinkPad. To prove a point, and because I obviously have way too much time on my hands, I just configured all three to the same specs and got the following results-

    Dell Latitude D8330- $1547
    Lenovo ThinkPad T61p- $1618
    Sager NP2090- $1748
    HP Compaq 8510p- $2034

    The first three are competitive, but the HP is almost $500 more than a Dell Latitude with same hardware and software specs. I also should note that the HP and Dell come with standard three year warranties while the same coverage for Lenovo is $119 and Sager it's $139. If you absolutely would not buy an extended warranty, the prices of both of those would be significantly lower. I must admit a slight aversion to hp after buying a Pavilion dv9000t earlier this year that ran hot enough to fry an egg. Tech support was abysmal and it took some strong-arming to get the matter resolved. I can deal with glitches, but expect the maker to see that they are corrected reasonably quickly.
     
  18. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    you can get the base model of the t61p with the current coupons for 1050.

    It is not just the best its the cheapest.

    its down side is the 4 week wait.
     
  19. Dreamer

    Dreamer The Bad Boy

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    The one who resurrected this 5 months old thread is clearly an idiot, and the others who posted here aren't any better...
     
  20. Johnny T

    Johnny T Forum Moderator Super Moderator

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    lol...I love it when people resurrect old threads :p
     
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