Does nvidia use driver updates to kill performance on ageing GPUs? Linus says no.

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  1. Prototime

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    Thoughts on his (actually Jake's) research?
     
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    Thoughts? For the people who actually believed this was a thing, I've got a bridge to sell you.
     
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    I have to agree. This wasn't a very thorough test. He should have tested drivers pre new architecture launch. That's when we see gimping take place.
     
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    There is no gimping. It's always the people who never provide proof that claim gimping, while those of us that benchmark games regularly after driver updates see that driver performance trends upward over time or stays the same.
     
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    I was wondering about this myself. Testing a singe post-launch driver doesn't seem comprehensive enough to draw much of a concrete conclusion from.

    I've seen respected members of this forum have different views on this. I also am not one who regularly tests games after driver updates, though.

    @Papusan @Phoenix - as our regular driver testers/egg cookers, do you have any thoughts on whether nvidia uses driver updates to gimp old GPUs?
     
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    It doesn't matter what your view is. The evidence is there. Driver performance goes up or stays the same over time. I'm talking in games, I could care less about synthetics. The biggest gains from driver optimization come in the first few months to a year after the release of a new GPU uarch before tapering off. AMD usually gains more from driver optimization than Nvidia (so-called FineWine™ Technology) because their GPUs are released in a less optimized state than Nvidia's, and because of their presence in console silicon which affects the development of game engines and emergent rendering techniques that favor their architecture.

    This is like the second video LTT has done on this nGimpia conspiracy theory. The entire premise is so ridiculous I have a hard time taking it, and people who actually believe it, seriously. I have a feeling that I've been using PC for longer than some of these people have been alive, so I remember when actual controversy existed in the GPU space, rather than this FUD. Like drivers being coded to skip the rendering of some elements in a certain popular benchmark to inflate scores for one side, or a certain popular game locking out a rendering path on one side due to that side's terrible performance in that API, or notable performance and image quality differences in basic things like anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering between the two.
     
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    Well this has been the latest trend for the past 2 years. When approaching the release date of a new GPU Drivers start getting worse and worse and have problems making people feel sick of them and eventually end up upgrading. That's how I was forced to upgrade from a Dual 780Ms on my Alienware 18 to a Dual 980M GTX on a Clevo laptop back then

    Sometimes they would just fry your GPU, much easier than pissing customers off for a long time. Always best to stick to the drivers from the OEMs that they test unless a new driver has some game optimizations which you are playing

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    o_O
     
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    I think he meant dual 780m.

    Thinking back I'm reminded of how Nvidia loaded up tesselation on Maxwell release in gameworks to make AMD cards run like ass, even to the detriment of nuking Kepler GPU performance. That's acceptable collateral damage for them.
    Then recently with the Titan, the newer magic driver that conveniently unlocks magic compute powers ahead of AMD 64.
    Nah Nvidia are a sly bunch.
     
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    Those are separate issues from "Nvidia releases newer drivers to gimp performance of games on older GPUs", which has been proven as false so many times. In other words, in the same games, older drivers DO NOT perform better than newer drivers.
     
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