Does a non g-sync GPU work in my laptop?

Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by chrisssj3, Jun 28, 2021.

  1. chrisssj3

    chrisssj3 Notebook Guru

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    Insert philosophical babbel * insert philospophical babbel *
    Just think of me as your grandma, who barely just knows how to replace a mxm card in a laptop.
     
  2. Reciever

    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    Well if the ebay listing says it works then it must work, until you read through those 100's of pages like many of us have, you'll never know. Which is the point I am making here.

    The issue here isnt the 100's of pages, its the questions you are asking. They telegraph your level of understanding in the subject matter which is quite low. This is not to be insulting, ignorance is not an insult just a state of being on a particular base of knowledge. Which tells me you never read 100's pages to begin with. @Tenoroon was basically at the same spot you were some many months ago. He made a thread, states his intended goal and inquired how to get there. 50 some pages later, we got there. Now running an MSI 1070 inside an Alienware 17 R1.

    You spend the cash if you want to save the time and if you have the time you can save the cash. You have to decide what your priority is. Selfishly demanding links (assuming there are any to begin with) for one stop shop as well as asking for new MXM cards despite no Pascal card ever being sold as new in box.

    There are no current listings on ebay with the MSI 1060 MXM card. Since you believe ebay listings over the forum then buy one of those Dell and see if it works, if it doesnt then I guess you can hope to return it.

    Im aware of the expense of sending a laptop across the pond, I did the same thing with my P750FM, since I lacked the expertise to personally carry out the modification. But before I just threw it in a box and shipped it out, I read many pages and many threads determining the best course of action to achieve intended goal.

    @DaMafiaGamer Any thoughts? You are closer to the locale, maybe you have a better understanding of potential avenues of sourcing an MXM card.
     
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    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

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    My grandma isn't so argumentative.
     
  4. Clamibot

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    Yeah those are the cards that should work in your laptop. MSI cards are known and sought for their compatibility with other laptop brands.

    As for the heatsink and fan, you can keep using the fan you have. The GTX 1060 has the same TDP (Thermal Design Power) as the 980m (both are 120 watt cards). I've yet to own a Clevo (I plan on getting a Clevo DTR later this year), so can you post a picture of the heatsink and your current GPU?

    If the VRM and Mosfet layout (the black and gray squares on the top of the card) on the 980m is similar to the 1060, then the heatsink will work with the 1060. I never had to mod my Alienware Ranger's heatsink in my sig because the heatsink fit the 1060 like it fit my old 860m.

    Having said all of this, given how hard it is to find a reasonable priced GPU at this point in time, I'd recommend you consider buying a newer laptop if you need the extra compute power right this instant. zTecpc is currently having a sale on their Clevo X170SM-G models equipped with RTX 2000 series cards. I don't know if they do international shipping though. You'd have to message brother Donald@zTecpc about that.

    The Clevo X170SM-G or the newer X170KM-G models will be much more powerful than your current machine. If you can score one for a good price, I'd say go for that instead. Some Clevo resellers in the EU include XMG, Metabox, and Dream Machines.

    The newer, bigger form factor Clevo MXM cards in their laptops from 2017 and onward are probably here to stay. I don't see them changing the design of their card anytime soon.
     
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  5. chrisssj3

    chrisssj3 Notebook Guru

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    Thanks for your feedback.

    Reciever says "There are no current listings on ebay with the MSI 1060 MXM card"

    My specific hardware problem in the clevo results my 980 display driver being lost in windows error log. And creates either frozen display screens or screen resets/app freezes, when I really stress the GPU with heavy tasks. Some toned down gaming, is more stable. but it can still happen. Sometimes I can play certain games for hours no problem. Other crash very soon.
    Now this problem would be solved by getting a new card.

    HOWEVER, im also getting this message in my windows error log "the speed of processor # is being limited by firmware for xx seconds"
    I already undervolted my CPU with -125 mV and the degrees are nothing to worry about so i dont understand. (wether undervolted or not)

    One fear I have is that even with a new working card, somehow these messages will continue... Though those messages don't seem to be the immediate problem.. the msg "display driver lost" seems the main one.

    I'd wait for RTX 3000 cards if I were to buy a new laptop. PC specialist make them now, in august available. Though tbh.. i'd probably wait for future gen with another laptop till I have some more money too.
    Im also a little bit hesitant to go for a gaming laptop again to be honest. I mean 300 euro or something for a new GPU, okay but putting down another 2k for a gaming laptop that might break again idk.

    Honestly idk if the VRM and mosfet layout is the same as my 980m. (aren't VRM and mosfet the same thing?) From what I gather of the 980m pics floating around, the VRAM chips probably are on the same place. but as for the mosfets i'd really have to open it all up to make pictures... but i'd have to re-apply thermal paste which I don't have.
     
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  6. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    300 euro for a new GPU is ludicrous to me.

    If there is a budget for a new gaming laptop, even for one that might break (everything breaks), that is the better course of action for you.

    Cash = zilch is you don't use it as needed.

    If you were my grandma and she was a gamer, I'd buy her an Xbox already.
     
  7. chrisssj3

    chrisssj3 Notebook Guru

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    I'd readjust your expectations then. 300 euro esp in these graphic card times is that not bad at all for what is an upgrade over my old GPU in a laptop that cost over 2k
     
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    Everything breaks eventually, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it. Just do your best to take good care of the laptop and it will most likely last you a long time.

    Clevos appear to generally be very robust machines. We have people on these forums still using Clevos from a decade ago. Unfortunately no brand is free of defective units, so again, I wouldn't get too worked up.

    The issue you describe with the GPU driver dropping appears to be a GPU or motherboard issue. With the information that has been provided, I'm not sure which one it is yet. What happens if you fully load the CPU and GPU simultaneously with a stress test?

    Also, Mosfets are a component in a VRM. The smaller black squares are the Mosfets, and the bigger gray squares under them are inductors (also called chokes), which are another part of the VRM. The inductor then leads into a capacitor, which is the third component of the VRM. The heatsink must come in contact with these as well (with a thermal pad in between the electronics and the heatsink of course).
     
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    The GPU part alone will get you the gpu driver dropping. So if I stress CPU+GPU, the driver will be lost. If I just run CPU with prime95 I will get a msg "processor speed 1,2,3,4 has been reduced by firmware etc." It triggers msg instantly and the temps are not that high begin 60's and will ramp up to 68 with the max heat test in prime95. (which are temps I was gaming on)
    EDIT. after a reboot and redid prime95 it did not trigger the cpu logbook msg, but it did when I started furmark stress test.

    At very first of the beginning of the problem the laptop even lost power all together, and we thought maybe it was a power issue of my charger or something. My friend soldered a new vrm on the board and that seemed to solve the losing power part but not fix it entirely.
    So it now never loses power entirely but yeah.
     
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    Did your friend solder the VRM to the GPU board or the motherboard?

    If your friend soldered the VRM to the motherboard, and that solved the complete power loss, then this is definitely a motherboard issue.
     
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