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DIY Laptop Battery Rebuild

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  1. dietcokefiend

    dietcokefiend DietGreenTeaFiend

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    by Kevin O'Brien

    A day will come when your notebook's rechargeable battery will no longer charge and instead serve better as a paper weight. As you use your battery more often, the battery loses more and more capacity until it finally won’t accept a charge and goes flat. Replacing a battery is easy, but the new battery price could be so steep that it costs more than the notebook is worth. Buying a refurbished battery can drive the price down even lower, but what if you are super cheap? Well, we are going to cover this last option, which means tearing apart your old battery and fixing it yourself.

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    Dell E1705 Battery Specs:

    • Voltage: 11.1v
    • Capacity: 53WHR
    • Original Cells: Sony SF US18650BR
    • Replacement Cell Specs: LG 1650 mAh li-ion Battery w/ tabs

    Teardown Process

    Breaking the battery apart was probably the single most painful moment of this entire article. I had no documentation to work with, the plastic halves of the battery were glued together, and all I had was a mini snipper. I first started by peeling off the top sticker exposing the open framework with cells in view. After this I took my little snippers to the plastic, and cut away piece by incredibly small piece till the entire top was removed. I had black plastic bits flying everywhere; I think even into someone&rsquo;s can of soda. The end result was a brutalized battery case that looks 100 percent safe for future use.

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    Once all of the excess plastic was removed, I could get to the cells I would be replacing. All of these were glued in place, so prying them out with a screwdriver was the only option. As I slowly lifted each group form the plastic case without shorting any circuits, I took my clippers to the metal bridges to fully disconnect the batteries. During this time I also made special note of the wire leads off the charging circuit and where they connected for future use.

    Finding the Correct Replacement Cells

    Who would have thought finding something as simple as US18650BR batteries would be so hard? It actually took two of us about 30 minutes to find a site that sold equivalent batteries. We narrowed in on <a href="http://www.megabatteries.com" target="_blank">MegaBatteries.com</a>, as we found it mentioned on some odd website as a place to find batteries. Now the standard name for the battery size we were looking for was 1650, and we picked one at random since they had quite a few options to choose ... and I was too lazy to run the math on the correct cell capacity. With the cell selection locked in I ordered the batteries, and sat patiently until they would arrive.

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    Build Day

    Once the new batteries arrived at the office, I got to work on prepping the batteries for installation. I verified battery orientation from the pictures of the old assembly, and started to solder together pairs of cells. I used some old wire to bridge together each group on the positive and negative side, and hooked the first battery group to the red power lead. Next step was soldering together the second group, attaching it back of the first group, and soldering both charging leads in place. Last was the third group soldered to the back of the second, and attaching the black lead to the rear of the battery group. The final result doesn&rsquo;t instill much confidence of a non-firey demise, but it was finished. To add a layer of safety I placed some packing tape over the exposed battery groups, and mashed the &quot;rebuilt&quot; battery into the bottom of the notebook. To the surprise of all those around me, the battery did not ignite into a ball of flames, and actually started charging.

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    Performance

    The Dell E1705 laptop was not the pinnacle of mobile performance from the start, but with the old battery it was difficult to get more than 25 minutes of life before the notebook shutoff. Anything above that value with the rebuilt battery would be a mild success, so I crossed my fingers and hoped that an hour of smoke inhalation (soldering) wasn&rsquo;t wasted. The results of the rebuilt battery ended up being roughly 47 minutes of battery life, and a Dell battery warning saying the battery had reached the end of its useful life. While the cells were fresh, the batteries charging circuit hard already reached the point of no return. No matter what we could do, it would never reach the charge levels of its prior brand new state.

    Conclusion

    With the labor involved in rebuilding the battery, and the $53 spent on parts, the DIY rebuilt Dell battery never got anywhere near the performance of a new battery. Although it was a fun process the money could have been better spent on a professionally refurbished battery or a brand new OEM battery from <a href="http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&amp;category_id=6590&amp;cs=19&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs&amp;~ck=anav" target="_blank">Dell.com</a>. Even if the rebuilt battery did achieve results similar to those of a brand new module, I don&rsquo;t think anyone in our office would have trusted that notebook to charge unwatched for any significant period of time. With brand new batteries exploding left and right, do you really trust something you rebuilt yourself?

    Pros

    • Tons of soldering smoke that freaked out coworkers
    • People don&rsquo;t mess with you after they see this in your hand

    Cons

    • Bringing this through airport security creates a stressful and unhappy situation
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  2. Jason

    Jason Overclocker

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    What a shame that it didn't end up giving you much more battery life. Do you happen to have a multimeter on hand? A fully charged Lithium battery should reach 4.2v's from my experience. But since the battery is 11v's it has to have some sort of regulated circuit. I assume this is also preventing the batteries from fully charging properly. If the batteries are at 4.2v's than you can be sure that they are fully charged and that the batteries are just... crappy batteries with a low mah capacity. If the voltage is lower than this, then it might not be fully charged.

    Also, I just noticed the 18650 in the model # on the batteries. 18650 Lithium battery cells are actual a very popular and easy to find size. I have a CREE LED flashlight and a Xeon light that runs off of them or two CR123A Lithium Cells. DealExtreme has them for $4.70 shipped per cell. Or $4.06 shipped if you order in bulk (5 ore more). So 6 x $4.07 = ~$24.

    I also have a charger for charging lithium CR123A's and 18650's. When fully charged they are in the 4.17-4.21 range. If they are not, then they are not fully charged. The cells are rated at 3.6 or 3.7v. The reason for this is they quickly decline in voltage from ~4.2 to 3.6 then stay around this range. They can be used till about 2v but this will limit the life of the cells.

    Also, I think you put in lower capacity LG cells than the original Sony ones. The LG ones say 1650mah. So 6x1650 = 9.9 ah. 9.9x3.7v = ~36Whr's. The original capacity of the 6 sony cells combined was 53Whr's. So using basic math, this would tell us that the capacity of each sony cell was about 2400mah. 2400mah is just about the highest 18650 cells get too. So that&#8217;s encouraging to see that dell is using the highest capacity cell's available.

    What was the original battery life like with the Sony Cells?
     
  3. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

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    Cool Pros and Cons :).
     
  4. anarky321

    anarky321 Notebook Deity

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    "A" for Effort?
     
  5. dickeywang

    dickeywang Notebook Consultant

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    Nice work, man!
    Although, I am hoping that no one from FAA is reading this post otherwise there might be some new rules come out to make sure no one is carrying some explosive self-made "batteries" onto the airplane. :D
     
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    • LOL :D

      Thanks for the interesting read. I see you can't help disassembling things. Can I make a wish list for the next things you should take apart? :)
     
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    LOL at the cons become a a terrorist suspect
     
  8. Andrew Baxter

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    Wow, maybe Jason should offer a counter review to show he knows what he's doing better than Kevin when it comes to rebuilding batteries :D

    Nice attempt Kevin, it's probably safe to avoid doing this unless you really know what's up.
     
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    While the difference in battery capacity is true, in a prior review we got close to 2 hours and 41 minuted on the 6 cell battery. On the rebuilt battery we barely broke 47 minutes. The batteries we bought were not 30% of the original capacity ;)
     
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    Christ, you're not joking about that last pro...
     
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    havand Notebook Consultant

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    I did this once for an Asus M3N battery. It worked fine, the biggest problem was that a lot of the circuits, unless you keep them powered (or so I have heard) while you rip the batteries out, will never report the correct battery info to your computer again. :/
     
  12. Jason

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    LOL, I really don't know anything about rebuilding notebook batteries. All I know is about the lithium cells. ;) But now that I think of it, I just might try doing some sort of a review because my dads xps m1210 battery is dead and he ordered a new 9 cell. His dead one is a 6 cell and right now, it lasts for 20 minutes :p

    My guess is that the regulator on the battery that Kevin opened up was designed for 2400mah batteries, and with him putting 1650's in that might explain why they are not getting charged properly. Perhaps if 2400's were used, the battery would work like new.
     
  13. ernstloeffel

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    I just bought a used (but still working) pack for my Inspiron 8600. I also asked myself why it shouldn't be possible to replace those batteries by yourself but found no documentation whatsoever for this, and before I saw those pictures I was scared to open the accu pack.

    I think you have some points there, he must have had the wrong type of batteries. There is no reason why good replacement batteries shouldn't perform equally good as the original.

    BTW, there are 2600mah batteries by Samsung available at Conrad Electronic in Germany (Ansmann brand). I guess that's the max, but also at a max price (16€ = about 23 USD).
     
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    To correctly build a battery pack, you'd have to clear the EEPROM through the SMBUS interface using a software.

    Also, if you use DealExtreme batteries and the battery burns down your house, who are you going to sue?
     
  15. dietcokefiend

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    Well on top of the charging issues, the cost of this rebuilt battery in parts comes close to a professionally rebuilt battery off ebay/etc with warranty ;)

    Andrew since he made me do it
     
  16. nyu3

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    Good effort, but e1705 batteries can be had for as little as $40 shipped on ebay. A lot practical (safer, no work required, doesn't look ugly, etc...) for everyone.
     
  17. Crimsonman

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    lol haha, thats funny. Man, you are so crazy, is this your punishment for spamming OT with free stuff?
     
  18. Johnny T

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    I wanna do it! But I am too scared :p I have a HP/Compaq Presario B3800...for those of you who dont know what that is, I just found out that its also call NX7100 in other parts of the world (never realised it was a business noteobok until today...) Battery life = 40min...used to be 4hrs...6cell 11.1v 4.4Ahr...

    Should I do it? :p
     
  19. justanormalguy

    justanormalguy Notebook Consultant

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    Yes, do it right, get help, then sell it to NBR.

    PLEASE!!! I want to do this for an old laptop of mine...


    Otherwise...

    ...will it blend?
     
  20. Johnny T

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    hehehe

    One major problem is that I must be able to put it all back together...I spent a fair amount of time going through various airports...
     
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