DIY: Adding SSD or HDD storage using an optical bay caddy

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  1. User Retired 2

    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Everest buffer read - older 80GB Travelstar IDE in 2510P/PATA caddy as slave 87MB/s, 1.8" ZIF as master 84MB/s as shown here

    The official spec of the ATA100/UDMA5 PATA Intel ICHx interface is 100MB/s read and 88.9MB/s write. Benchmark above shows the interface tops out at ~87MB/s.

    Using SATA SSDs in a sata-to-pata caddy

    If you are thinking of using a sata-to-pata optical bay caddy, there is some difference in performance between the newmodeus and ebay (Marvell) bridge chips. I've collated a summary of benchmarks on the web of SSDs installations in sata-to-pata caddys here. We can see sata SSDs perform very well using such a solution.

    You'll notice too that all the current SSDs, including Intel X25-M G2, does not even yet saturate the PATA maximum interface speed in it's 4kb random read speeds where a lot of SSDs spend much of their time.
     
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    DOH! ok, thanks for the info. i have emailed them for a replacement. will try to boot without disk drive and use hotswap to plug in after, but not ideal.
    heads up for other acer people to check first.
    unlucky day yesterday, first wrong adapter and my new razer mouse also just delivered with middle button not working :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
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    Wow great info! Thx a lot.
    Sounds 10000000% worth a try
     
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    had a think about my problem and solved it last night. the answer was to install my boot manager (boot-it) on to the second (dvd drive bay) disc. without the hard disk in (booting with dvd in) lappy boots as normal. with the extra drive in (which is now hd 0, main one being hd 1) i have the same menu on there, but os startups just point to boot from hd 1 instead of hd 0. problem solved :)
    disk to disk transfers are nearly double usb speeds for same disks.
    also, hot swapping was no problem with hotswap! so all is well :D
     
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    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Nando, is there any chance you know where I could buy just the circuit board without the actual casing.

    I have a case from a broken DVD drive that is perfect.
    I though if I could get the board then I could retrofit it into the casing.

    It might save me some money:D

    EDIT: I got the ebay caddy.

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    Below are links to help you identify if the ebay or newmodeus circuit board is more suitable for your purposes. Maybe newmodeus.com can sell you just the circuit board?

    newmodeus sata-to-pata logic board

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    There is a Rev_A board without master/slave jumper or a Rev_C with it as shown above.

    ebay (Marvell) sata-to-pata caddy pics showing the screwholes are here and here.

    Your Toshiba Tecra A9 uses a 12.7mm PATA optical drive. The cheapest option is a HP NC6000 caddy. They have peculiar metal bracket around it which you can discard. Or can just pay US$25 and have a solution that will work, even if you can't adapt it to your spare optical drive chassis. See below:

    US$17-delivered NC6000 12.7mm sata-to-pata caddy
    US$25-delivered various generic 12.7mm sata-to-pata caddies

    I'd be curious if you got the ebay caddy using the Marvell sata-to-pata chip, as used in Lenovo Ultrabay adapters, to see how well it performs relative to your normal sata connector.
     
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    Sweetness - Thanks and Props to the OP!

    Best upgrade yet

    My Dell Vostro 1400 with Intel ICH8M chipset -

    Thanks for the Great info - I used to be on the bleeding edge of technology - I almost pulled the trigger on a SSD summer of 2008 - I am so glad that I waited - I picked up an OCZ Agillity 60GB for $128 from ZZF (after MIR) - I was running on a 2 year install of XPSP2 that had a bloated 58MB registry - so it was time for a fresh install.

    - I had been looking for a way to have both a SSD and a 2.5 500GB platter

    So I slipstreamed XP SP3 w/ the new intel 8.9 ICH drivers ( Aug 2009) -

    The physical HD in the optical caddy is faster than it was when it was in factory HD position (not sure if it is the new Intel ACHI drivers - but my PATA speeds are faster than my SATA speeds (OEM factory connector) The fastest read speeds I have seen from a 5400 RPM 2.5 SATA on my laptop has been 64MB/S this is almost a 4 X speed increase.

    I am planning on picking up a Hitachi 7500K (500GB -7200rpm SATAII 9.5mm with on the fly controller powered encryption as soon as they hit the market.) Travelstar™ 7K500 w/Bulk Data Encryption (BDE)

    I had read that most of the notebooks were ICH8M and were handicapped at SATA 1.5.

    This screenie was before any SSD tweaks. - I got similar numbers from ATTO.

    I have a T9500 with 4GB - but this makes my little 14.1" Notebook Scream ---

    Thanks to the OP ! Now I just need to get a external slim DVD enclosure - I did'nt realize how much that I still used Optical disks.
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    Hi Orgon Sunset,

    Very pleased to hear your results. A very quick 14.1" T9500 system you have there. Which sata-to-pata caddy did you use for the 2.5" HDD (ebay or newmodeus?). Also, any chance you could you also post crystaldiskmark benchmarks comparing the performance using the native sata connector versus the optical bay caddy for *both* the SSD and HDD? Would be great to get an idea of how much performance loss there is across the sata-to-pata bridge. For the HDD I would expect it to be minor, but the SSD there would be some for sure, since ATA100/UDMA is specced at 100MB/s (~87MB/s real world), SATAII is specced at 300MB/s (~250MB/s real world).
     
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    Superb guide +rep :)

    I assume the above is still true as I am unable to find any SATA-SATA apart from newmodeus which in my opinion are ridiculously overpriced for what is effectively a port extension.
     
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    I forgot to thank you for your guide. I purchased myself a newmodeus bay caddy to put a ssd as a primary disk and keep my old HDD for data storage. Everything worked great. Very ingenious !!! Thanx again.
     
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