DIY: Adding SSD or HDD storage using an optical bay caddy

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  1. notroxcity

    notroxcity Notebook Enthusiast

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    help?aving trouble w 2 new caddies...
     
  2. rawg

    rawg Newbie

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    Problems with hdparm

    I own a Dell XPS M1530 with a Samsung 470 64GB SSD installed as primary hdd and a Samsung Spinpoint M8 1000GB (HN-M101MBB) installed in a newmodeus.com 2nd Hard Drive Caddy. This combination works flawless except that I cannot seem to get hdparm to work properly, because the M8 won`t spin down but is being noisy all the time. Neither do the commands from 1st page of this thread work, nor do the examples provided by hdparm.
    I`d love the M8 to spin down after 1 minute. If I use the command to immediately spin down it will do so just to spin up again right away.

    Solutions are much appreciated.
     
  3. whg21

    whg21 Newbie

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    Hi Guys,

    I would like to mount a 2nd hdd caddy of 9.5mm in a laptop (HP 8530w) with optical bay thickness of 12.7mm. Do you think that's possible?

    Thank you!
     
  4. User Retired 2

    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Yes - you can do that. The SATA connector is located at the same height on both the 9.5mm and 12.7mm caddy. The 9.5mm caddy will of course be looser in the 12.7mm cavity but it can fit and will work. This is confirmed: I fitted a 9.5mm PATA caddy to a DV2000 (12.7mm) and 9.5mm SATA caddy to a Inspiron 1440 (12.7mm). Both worked great.
     
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    i need help. Here's my problem :

    When i replace the caddy with my original optical drive, BIOS/boot manager detects the optical drive and can boot from it just fine. Im stucked. dunno wats da problem. is it da caddy or my laptop's BIOS?

    UPDATE : i found out that by changing SATA mode from AHCI mode to IDE mode (i was testing the caddy in a different laptop) , i can boot from the caddy and that the BIOS/boot manager detects the HDD installed just fine. However, when i tried it on my laptop (Acer TimelineX 4830TG), changed the SATA mode to IDE mode, it cannot detect the HDD in the caddy.help needed.
     
  6. Serville

    Serville Notebook Consultant

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    Here is my generic ODD caddy.

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    I use this with Seagate 750GB 7200rpm drive 9.5mm in my Asus N61JQ. It's running SATA2 without a problem.
    The only minor problem : the blue LED on the caddy will not light up when paired with the new Seagate 750GB, but has no problem with my old 320GB hdd (Seagate & Hitachi). I wonder why. The new Seagate 750GB has 4k sectors. Could this be the problem ?
     
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    notroxcity Notebook Enthusiast

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    hurm...my SSD is 512-byte sector and my WD hdd is 4k-sector. i wonder if im unable to boot to my secondary drive, on my laptop, due to the 4k-sector HDD...when i get home, i have to try to swap my secondary HDD with my SSD and see whether that fixes the problem. thanks for helping me think of a new possible solution. :)
     
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    Kaighal Notebook Enthusiast

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    After some time and all things considered, I have decided to follow your advice and buy a X220 :) Expresscard slots seem to be less and less installed by manufacturers so it looks like it will be the best compromise of cpu power, lightweightness and ability to use an DIY eGPU setup at home.

    Nando4, I do not have a keen understanding of what mSATA is. Would you be so kind as to provide me with sample links of what HDD caddy, HDD and SSD would be compatible with the X220 ?

    And could you confirm that it would work with my current eGPU setup (which I have described here and briefly in my signature) ?

    One last thing : I obviously want to boot on the SSD but is there a way to save the default install of Windows 7 that will be provided by Lenovo on the HDD that comes with the X220, and restore it on the SSD ?

    Thank you very much in advance ;)
     
  9. User Retired 2

    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    From here:

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    Above: the Sunplus SPIF223A, Marvell and Jmicron JM20330 sata-to-pata bridge chips used in optical bay caddies and some sata-to-pata bridged SSDs

    newmodeus' sata-to-pata caddy has issues when used in a HP 2510P - bios hang and no TRIM

    The newmodeus caddy's Sunplus sata-to-pata bridge cannot pass TRIM and hangs bios bootup for 30s. If you run it as slave as a bios hang workaround you'll get writes limited to 30MB/s and resume from standby will freeze the system requiring a cold reboot.

    I have advised newmodeus on the problem with their use of the Sunplus bridge, noting the pinouts (shown above) of the Jmicron and Marvell sata-to-pata bridge chips look identical to the Sunplus one so it could be a relatively simple swap during their next manufacturing batch to fix. The Marvell chip is used on a ebay caddy and Renice K3VLAR ZIF SSD and it does not have these issues. The Jmicron chip is used on a Runcore ProIV ZIF SSD and it too doesn't have these issues. If newmodeus used a Jmicron or Marvell bridge chip then it would be the #1 recommended sata-to-pata caddy due to it's superior chassis quality and design.

    Due to these issues I suggest you consider a US$20-delivered ebay caddy. It uses the Marvell sata-to-pata bridge chip which passes TRIM and boots past the 2510p bios without delay so it's a better functioning solution for a 2510P. That Fenvi ebay caddy just needs the rear multibay adapter removed like shown here. It also allows the original 2510P faceplate to be swapped over for a perfect appearance.

    XP doesn't pass TRIM but utilities like Indilinx' wiper do send TRIM commands at the commandline in XP to maximize performance. Not sure if Crucial has a similar utility. If not then you'd be dependent on Garbage collection by the firmware to do that for you or evoke a manual Tony Trim occasionally.

    A 2.5" 7200rpm HDD will work just fine in the ebay caddy.

    Workaround for very slow Win7 due to the newmodeus caddy not passing TRIM

    A TRIM enabled SSD in the newmodeus sata-to-pata caddy will do unbearingly slow writes while TRIM is enabled. It needs to be disabled with the following in the command prompt to revert to full speed:

    Code:
    fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify 
    fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1
    
    With TRIM disabled, consider running Tony Trim occasionally to keep SSD writes at 'as new' performance levels.
     
  10. malibusa

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    Hi,

    when i try this command on my machine
    >fsutil behavior query disablenotify

    I got this message:

    C:\Windows\system32>fsutil behavior query disablenotify
    Usage : fsutil behavior query <option>

    <option>

    AllowExtChar
    BugcheckOnCorrupt
    Disable8dot3 [<Volume Path>]
    DisableCompression
    DisableEncryption
    DisableLastAccess
    EncryptPagingFile
    MftZone
    MemoryUsage
    QuotaNotify
    SymlinkEvaluation
    DisableDeleteNotify

    Please use "fsutil 8dot3name query /?" for more information.

    what shall I do?
     
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