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Display comparison: HD+ vs FHD

Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Set Sail, Jun 20, 2010.

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  1. Set Sail

    Set Sail Notebook Geek

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    I currently own a T60p with a 1600x1200 @200 nits, and I'm trying to decide which screen to get with my next machine, either a T510 or W510.

    It will be either the HD+ (1600x900) or the FHD (1920x1080). Both are LED backlit, as par for today's displays, but the HD+ seems to come with 220 nits and 60% color gamut, while the FHD is, apparently, 270 nits and a 95% gamut (there is also a touch-screen, which I do NOT particularly want, which comes with it seems a 242 nit screen, same 95% gamut).

    Can anybody comment on the difference between these two screens, in terms of overall brightness (in both dark and bright ambient lighting), and particularly the color "sensation": is the 95% gamut just "too saturated", as I've read some reviewers say??

    My current 200 nit screen on the T60p is not as bright as I would like, as it suffers in a very brightly lit rooms (and outdoors, of course, though I seldom go there); color seems decent enough; not great, but decent.
     
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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    which LCD does your T60p have? UXGA IPS? or the regular 15 inch SXGA+?

    From looking at my friend's W510, the FHD is right LCD for movie watching and photoshop work. The HD+ is okay but not brilliant.

    The overall brightness of the FHD is also better without the touchscreen, HD+ is good too, compared to my W500.
     
  3. Set Sail

    Set Sail Notebook Geek

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    I believe it's the UXGA. It's the "high density flex view", if that helps answer your question. Where can I find out definitively?? I tried looking all over the place yesterday (90 minutes!) but came up empty.
     
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    If it's the high density flexview 1600x1200, you have what is the best screen for photography work on a laptop ever made, and, sadly, that is likely every to be made (NB: being super bright is of no use to a photographer). You should get the FHD, because everything else will be too big of a step down.
     
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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    one of the biggest complain some people have with the Flexview LCD on the T60 laptops, were that the CCFL backlight dims very fast with age.
     
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    Lead, I think that was just the 1400x1050 LG-Phillips one. I could be wrong though.
     
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  8. Set Sail

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    I didn't know this flex-view is supposed to be that good(!). I always knew it was pretty good. (Guess I need to get out more and see more different machines.)

    It does have very good granularity, I guess that's what it means by "high density", very good detail. What bothers me the most is that all this fine detail is somewhat lost by what seems like a dull screen level of "brightness". Thus, I'm looking for a brighter screen on my next machine, while still keeping the good detail of a higher resolution screen.
     
  9. Set Sail

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    How does one find out the screen maker's name, short of tearing down the top of the computer??
     
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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    get a HWinfo32 and check the LCD part number, then google the part number it should give an accurate list of the manufacturers.
     
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    Set Sail Notebook Geek

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    Thanks, lead. Excellent utility! Really good. Wow.

    So, it says my monitor is a Lenovo HV150UX1-100. Google took me to: Hyundai-BOEhydis HV150UX1-100 ..... 15" ..... UXGA .... 1600x1200 .... (Matte) .... 1 CCFL. It says also it is a 180 cd/m2, which I guess is 180 nits. So it is even darker than the 200 nits in the lenovo spec sheet.

    So, is this a "good" screen? I mean, were there other 1600x1200 high density flex-view screens made for the T60p?? Maybe LG?
     
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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    BOE-Hydis was one of the best display, there was also the IDTech one (maybe that was the QXGA resolution model).

    But the IPS CCFL LCD on the T60p does fade with time.
     
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    The thing is, there are screens that will look better to the eye, but they are not as good for photography because they do not give you an honest representation, even after calibration, of what the image actually looks like.
     
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    Does this fading continue until total fade-out, or does it level off at some point?
     
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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    i would imagine it would continue.
     
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    Would that be the difference between the screen I have (CCFL LCD) and the newer backlit LCDs, including the RGB ones?
     
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    I see. No way to rejuvenate screen itself, outside of course replacing it with a whole new unit?
     
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    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    you can replace the CCFL backlight, it is the the backlight aging process that is causing the dimming, and not the liquid crystal panel component.

    But it is slightly complicated, and you have to setup a clean environment to do it in, otherwise dust particles may get in the LCD panel.
     
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    Got it.

    I wonder if the new back light could be gotten with a 20-30% increase in cd/m2 output??
     
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    LED backlighting has its benefits (longer lifespan, and I think it uses less energy too, but that could be wrong), but it also has the downside of naturally tending towards blue. This can be calibrated out with a monitor calibrator, though to get rid of it totally usually takes a more expensive calibrator (it uses a different kind of sensor).

    You can buy a new Boe-Hydis for ~$150. I know you mentioned the possibility yourself, but I thought I'd mention it because I know the price is a lot cheaper than I thought it would be.
     
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