Dead GPU or incompatible vBIOS? (Clevo 8970M)

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  1. GodlikeRU

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    Only some 8970M are better. Others may still die pretty fast and crossfire is dead anyway. IMHO it's wasting money but it's your choice mate.
     
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    Crossfire isn't dead exactly. AMD killed off the Crossfire name, but they still support dual GPUs - they recently added support for dual GPUs with Vega.

    I understand your reservations with AMD though, the 6000 and 7000 series cards especially were pretty horrible for failure rates, and some of the old Catalyst drivers were rather poor. I can't fault the 5000 series cards though, as my original 5870s are still going strong. You could however, say the same of nVidia's old BGA chips though which were also terrible for failing. They also had issues with that one driver update where it was killing people's cards.

    I generally do not prefer AMD or nVidia over each other, my only interest in in how the individual card performs. I cannot fault Pascal at all - it is power efficient, performs great and overclocks nicely. I think in comparison, Vega is a big disappointment. It's power hungry, without having the performance to match the high end Pascal cards. The launch too was a complete mess trying to piggy-back on the success of Threadripper. I hope AMD have a reshuffle at Radeon and sort their GPU sector out - it would be nice to have some real competition again. If a laptop can take the Maxwell or Pascal MXM cards, i'd suggest anyone does that over AMDs options as they are far better and more widely available.
     
  3. Johnksss

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    I think when it was installed it got zapped by power left in the MXM slot. If you do not power drain the board before install, this can happen, thus crippling or killing a card. (Speculations of course)

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    This was meant for the first person installing card, not @Arrrrbol
     
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    I always drain the power before doing any disassembly. It seems unlikely to be the issue since my 5870s are still working fine after being reinstalled many times. I believe the guy my friend sold the card to either fried it or crushed the die.
     
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    You did say you were not the first person to install them, correct?

    I edited the post before this one to reflect I was not stating you did anything wrong to said card.
     
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    The 8970M? My friend used that for several years and then sold it to someone a few months ago. The guy who bought it complained it wasn't working and returned it. My friend sent it to me to test whether it was working or not. its not a huge loss, i'm planning on buying another GPU to upgrade it anyway.

    As for the 5870s, they have been in here since it was new back in 2011. I've taken them out a few times to clean the dust out and repaste them without issue. Nothing wrong with those apart from the lack of driver updates and VRAM (and the usual Crossfire related spasms).
     
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    In layman's terms. Not you or your friend broke the card. The person who bought the card did. I hope this clears that up. :D

    I have two of those cards sitting around now.
     
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    The 8xxx series is WAY more sturdy. The HD 7xxx cards are dropping like flies due to bad decision on the solder on the connection from die to PCB. Never heard of any EC problems with the 8xxx series, unless you try to install dell cards into a clevo or MSI, which is kinda...interesting.

    Also no, the HD 8970M is now slightly faster than the 780M due to driver updates (one of the reasons why people love AMD) and considerably cheaper as well. Also better DX 12 support and much better Vulkan support (the card is on par with the GTX 970M in doom for instance).

    Both the HD 8970M and the GTX 780m are equally durable. Getting CF HD 8790Ms or GTX 780M also seem like a waste for me, especially since both cards can handle most games on pretty decent settings on 1080p anyways. CF isn't really 100% dead, it's more like a half dead man with 1 leg and arm crawling, but if some people have some specific applications where they can use that kind of setup, then yolo it.

    Both AMD and Nvidia have broken cards, as you pointed out the fermi cards where especially garbage from NVIDIAs side (seen countless cards melting mosfets, dying GPU's etc.) and AMD messed up big time with their HD 6xxx and HD 7xxx series due to low cost choice on the solder. The only reason why NVIDIA is more expensive is due to the fact that most people know NVIDIA more than AMD in the notebook market hence prefering them more, in terms of bang for the buck, AMD clear winner, not even a question wheter of not to get NVIDIA.

    The M390X is indeed not a very power consumption friendly card. It does get somewhat hot, should however be absolutely no problem for an AW M17x at all.

    Single M290x / 8970M in action.


    Settings:
    1080p, AA on, Hairworks off, everything Ultra except for foilage on medium. Game ran flawless.
     
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