[Conference Call] Nvidia GeForce GTX 580M 78C° Throttling [SEE POST #191 and later]

Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by DELLChrisM, Feb 28, 2012.

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  1. Dell-Bill_B

    Dell-Bill_B Guest

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    Not a bad idea, actually, since the topic is the call. I'd suggest Yoda and wide start a guide on overcoming the system throttling. Not that Dell endorses or supports those methods, but it's your system, and you can do whatever you want with it.

    Just remember that customer induced damage thing. (<- The disclaimer)
     
  2. The Revelator

    The Revelator Notebook Prophet

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    @ F-117 Nighthawk -- I am well pleased with the 580M, but it requires substantial effort and some knowledge to capture the performance potential and other benefits. For users willing and able to do that, the 580M is clearly the most powerful mobile card, as reflected by benchmark results, but it can be a hassle to get there. For users who just want a powerful gaming notebook with minimum hassle and/or those with limited technical experience or lacking the willingness to learn and experiment, the 6990M is the best choice. Unfortunately, if you want 3D, you need the 580M and have to learn to work through or around the R3's design limitations. Using the various techniques developed and discussed in the forum, I rarely encounter throttling (excluding Furmark, which I rarely use) and then mostly during extreme benchmarking. But it is what it is and these cards can be pushed only so far in the R3.
     
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    Chaos92 Notebook Consultant

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    If it is not possible to keep it within the 78C then increase the limit.. The 6990m goes up to 99C and seems more suitable for this climate yet it is not offered here.

    As far as other manufacturers go, no other laptop throttles the 580m at 787C, not even 15" ones.

    I am waiting for a replacement. If I am still facing issues I will contact DellChrisM and request a FULL refund.

    Oh, and btw, this configuration costs $4000 here and I cant play for more than 20 mins on it. Yay!

    Despite all this , I still love my AW. But i am quite skeptical by nature. So since you guys have refused to remove the limit (or your tech team doesnt know what is causing the limit and hence cant remove it) I dont see any solution on the horizon.

    I have no faith in talks of redesigning the heatsink. A m17x r4 is on the horizon and I will place my bet that there is no new heatsink for the r3.

    I was quite excited at first but after reading this thread I am resigned to the fact that I made a poor purchase.

    My views are not quite in line wit the optimism on this thread, but I still have a right to express them.

    Yes, please look for a fix for the 78C throttle.
     
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    @Chaos92
    Of course you do, but at the risk of offending you, there's no cost-effective way on earth with current technology to cool the 580 to even 99C with an ambient temp of 113F. We've published our operating temperatures, and you are admitting you are using the system outside that range. Still, we're doing all we can for you.

    If by 'tech team,' you mean tech support, yes, that's a miss on our part. If you mean any of us providing support on this forum or our own forum, or our engineering team, we are well aware of root cause and the fact that we CAN but will not remove it, based on safety specs.
     
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    brave758 Notebook Guru

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    Yep, shame dell could of done a bios with the limits still intact but with the fan profiling included. :D
     
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    I think this idea is actually still on the table. I'll double check. I was surprised to see this wasn't pushed for on the call. I brought it up, but was missing the chorus of "Yes! This! Do eeeet!!"
     
  7. Mr. Fox

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    At 113°F, I would have trouble functioning properly, not to mention a computer... any computer for that matter. That's just way too hot to expect a good outcome for man or beast.

    Is air conditioning not available in India? I lived in Phoenix for a while and thought I was going to die, LOL. And, I think I might have without air conditioning.
     
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    I think you have seen it, but this http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...x-r3-580m-thermal-throttling.html#post8345887 generally fixes it in most cases. However, as Bill has said you gotta get lower ambient temps. No laptop on earth can game at ambient temps as high as you are reporting.

    If that is the coolest you can get than you need to look at desktop solutions, and probably desktop solutions that are liquid or even submersion cooled.

    This was mentioned in the call, basically, there is marketing from one side saying "make a quiet computer" while engineering is saying "we want a cool computer". The profile we got is the middle ground. I admit that my modified profile is louder and more disturbing, and can see why they might not want to adopt it for everyone. Lots of Alienware customers are very casual, and would rather have quiet than cool.

    I got the impression this was kind of a no go on the call, but it is certainly a solution. Really, the entire fan table is fine except for the high-end. What needs to be added is a max cooling mode that activates at like 70-73C and runs full out until the machine cools to like 65C. This would leave most of the fans untouched, so marketing gets a "quiet" machine during normal use. But it would really help during gaming, since if we spike into the 70's it is likely gonna hit 78C without max cooling. By cooling to something like 65C before lowering the speed you reset your thermal system, which is important to counteract slow build-up.

    The real issue here, that was brought up in the call, is even if you change the fan table and release bios A10, but keep the A09 SATA3 changes, then most of us will not upgrade. In A08 the middle SATA port ALWAYS runs at SATA3, and that is what most of us are using for SSDs, in A09 it NEVER runs at SATA3.
     
  9. brave758

    brave758 Notebook Guru

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    Lol sounds like we didn't have the killer "but polite" drive to our goal there.
    This with the re-paste kit to me sounds like the best option for all parties it will help the non-techie and techie users and still keep the design spec intact with no end user damage involved :D.
     
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    brave758 Notebook Guru

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    Sorry yoda missed your post, Lost of food for though and your right a large group to cater for but who is the largest, I would say the gamer, those of us who choose not to upgrade for the reason you stated would fall into the techie category also so could apply the "other fixes".

    I know i'd side the engineering, but i'm a engineer so support function over form :)

    If dell supply a fix they have covered their end, what we do with that is our choice
     
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