CLEVO Supercomputer for AI GPU Computations

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  1. sa7ina

    sa7ina Notebook Consultant

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    HI buddies.

    A month ago i bought a Zephyrus for writing code and test it on the road before uploading it to our 30 THREADRIPPER and 120 GTX1080Ti farm.
    Or concept proof problem solving with Deep Learning at our costumers places.

    It replaced my 5 years old CLEVO P570WM from SAGER specs:
    I7 4960X
    32GB DDR3 1600MHz
    dual GTX880m

    I did it knowing it is too complicated and too expensive to upgrade my old machine. believe me i tried.
    Now i get more CPU power and lot more GPU power with 1\3 of the thickness, 1\3 of the wight and 1\4 of the power draw.
    I was hoping by Christmas new CLEVO high end LGA machines will pop up. (The dream was brand new X platform)
    Then give it to our graphics designer\concept artist. She mostly use Blender. Perfect!
    But dreams aside.

    Sounds prefect!...Not?

    The answer is NO!

    This engineering marvel gets way too hot and i guess it will not last for long.

    My longest session of model training on the road took about 2 hours on 50000 images.
    It was a very frighting experience ending up putting it on the AC unit for 2 hours waiting for it to crash any moment. But it didn't.
    It's just a boiling brick with a jet fighter sound for my use case. I guess it woks better in games.

    The CPU hovered close under 100C all the time while training and around 90C when detection network activated on the GPU getting it to 90%-100% utilization and CPU only utilized around 25%.
    I think the combined GPU CPU cooling system is to blame.
    You can see an example in this video:



    So i can't wait.
    Only the highest-end possible XEON (LGA ONLY! )and dual QUADRO(I guess MXM ONLY!), CLEVO (ONLY!) model.

    This is my form:
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    General Questions

    1) What is your budget?
    Literally...UNLIMITED!
    To be more precise...As much as possible to get the most advanced tech out there in a notebook form factor.

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?
    a. Netbook; 10" screen or less
    b. Ultraportable; 11" - 12" screen
    c. Thin and Light; 13" - 14" screen
    d. Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen
    e. Desktop Replacement; 17"+ screen
    As bigger as possible!...Cooling is better this way.
    No point buying desktop hardware in a notebook and let it throttle hard all day long.
    Should i remind you i owned and traveled a lot with my P570WM for 5 years! (Hint for how much i care for bulkiness and weight)


    3) Where will you buying this notebook? You can select the flag of your country as an indicator.
    Where ever i get what i want.

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
    a. Like:
    b. Dislike:
    CLEVO ONLY!!!
    Unless...


    5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?
    No!

    6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?
    GPU & CPU AI Computations.

    7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?
    Both.
    But as i mentioned before i wand the heaviest bulkiest strongest beast out there.


    8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? If so, please state which games or types of games?
    Occasionally.
    Not an issue.


    9) How many hours of battery life do you need?
    I conceder the batteries on this machines as built-in UPS systems.
    So i don't care for battery life but i need it to be replaceable.


    10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?
    No matter.
    I trust CLEVO engineering.


    11) What OS do you prefer? Windows (Windows 7 / 8), Mac OS, Linux, Chrome OS, etc.
    I use UBUNTU witch ill install myself.

    Screen Specifics

    12) From the choices below, what screen resolution(s) would you prefer? Keep in mind screen size in conjunction with resolution will play a large role in overall viewing comfort level. Everyone is different. Some like really small text, while others like their text big and easy to read. (Scroll down to see screen resolution information.)
    Highest quality 4K matte panel.
    High refresh rates no G-SYNC.
    Big.


    13) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen? (Scroll down to see explanations.)
    matte/non-glossy

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
    No. Only sheer power buys me.

    15) When are you buying this laptop?
    A.S.A.P

    16) How long do you want this laptop to last?
    4-5 years is more than enough for me.
    I would like to have the ability to upgrade in the future.


    Notebook Components

    17) How much hard drive space do you need? Do you want a SSD drive?
    Large CLEVO machines have a lot of them.

    18) Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a DVD Burner, Blu-ray Reader or Blu-Ray Burner?
    No.

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    One problem though.
    Could not find this combination in any of the stores i looked.
    My be @Prema BIOS magic formula can forge such a machine. ;)

    10X in advance!
     
  2. Grant B Gibson

    Grant B Gibson Notebook Deity

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    They dont seem to make socketed LGA Xeons anymore (laptop wise) but your options seem to be the Eurocomm X9C (8700k, dual 1080s) or that GL703 with a desktop Ryzen CPU, but with a RX 580
    EDIT: the Sky does seem to be available with Quadro's?
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    Msi WT75
     
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  4. sa7ina

    sa7ina Notebook Consultant

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    So, you say 8700K have no XEON equivalent?
    Weird!

    This MSI looks great but probably all BGA and no dual GPU's.
    I need more juice.


    Thank you both.
     
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  5. Vasudev

    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Most BGA workstation can't even properly cool their Xeons and Quadro effectively. Best hope is to wait for next gen Volta Consumer GPU with Tensor cores which in your case is a boon to reduce the temps you're getting.
    I doubt even a 1080 SLI will throttle no matter what since the dataset you use is pretty big to train and near real-time prediction is too much compute intensive.

    Ohh I re-read it several times, I thought Clevo p870 throttled in your use case. I think clevo p870dm3/tm1 from hidevolution will suit your needs for DTR.
    Use delided CPU with LM on both CPU and GPU to reduce that staggering temps you were getting earlier on zephyrus.
     
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  6. sa7ina

    sa7ina Notebook Consultant

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    Back to the "desktop carrying anywhere days" for now. i guess.
    Ill take one TR system from my farm.
    And wait.

    CLEVO!!!...WAKE UP!!!!!
     
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  7. sicily428

    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    that msi has LGA 6-cores cpus and quadro cards. Not sure about SLI. Or may be wait unltil october for the new z390 motherboards and 8-cores Intel LGA cpus
     
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    Grant B Gibson Notebook Deity

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    Coffee Lake is still "new"ish, so they've only gotten to the second wave of consumer CPUs, but either way, you're looking at 8700/7700k and two 1080s
     
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    The battery life would be measurable in minutes
     
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    There's been talk of internal closed loop watercooling on the P870 platform. What form, what model, what date is unknown, and reliability would I'd think be a disincentive to be an early adopter using it in a business environment, but it may highlight the use of hungrier cpus than the 6 core in future. I strongly suspect its a z390 model refresh for the 8 core coffee lake-s due in the next couple months but you never know.
     
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