Clevo/Sager or MSI? (P775TM vs GT73VR)

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  1. Sylvette

    Sylvette Newbie

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    I'm looking for a gaming laptop to last me for at least a few years. I'm currently struggling to decide between these two laptops after some research and comparison, but I don't have much info on the Clevo/Sager (especially on YT). I was wondering if you guys can advise me on the pros and cons, or just generally which you think is better in terms of reliability, performance, and longevity? Weight and battery length does not matter.

    The models I'm comparing:

    - Clevo P775TM/Sager NP9175 (Price: $2491, link)
    Specs:
    GTX1080, FHD IPS w/G-SYNC, i8-8700, 16GB ram, 250GB SSD, 1TB 7200 rpm HDD, Killer Wireless 1535​

    - MSI GT73VR (Price: $2290, link)
    Specs:
    GTX1080, FHD 5ms 120Hz (G-Sync unsure?), i7-7700HQ (Soldered, likely), 16GB ram, 512GB SSD, 1TB 5400 rpm HDD, Killer Wireless N1535
    Extra gifts: MSI bag, headset, mouse, mousepad
    Requires clean install to get rid of useless bloatware
    Is the extra $200 worth it? The only thing I don't like about the MSI is the bloatware, TN panel, and soldered CPU. Ports on both seem to be good? However, I'm not sure if the new 8th gen i8-8700 will pack that much impact to gaming to warrant me getting it. That being said, I heard that clevo is a very reliable chasis with great cooling and easy to access. What do you guys think? I'm quite new to laptops, so sorry in advance if there's anything obvious i missed!
     
  2. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    More cores going forward is certainly not going to hurt as the arms race between intel and AMD continues.
     
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  3. Falkentyne

    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    Wrong forum section for this, but do not choose the MSI under any circumstances. Choose a Clevo from HIDevolution and be throttle free and cancer firmware free forever. You will be glad you did.
     
  4. ekkolp

    ekkolp Notebook Evangelist

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    Never get BGA at this pricetag.

    Go for clevo.
     
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  5. Sylvette

    Sylvette Newbie

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    Sorry about that! I'm new to the forum, and wasn't quite sure where to post my thread. Thank you for letting me know your opinions between the two.

    Thank you for your opinions! Seems like going for Clevo might be a more reliable option.
     
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  6. Danishblunt

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    Unless you plan on voiding your warranty because you need to mod the notebook and do tons of work to fix the mistakes clevo made on the garbage cooling system, fix their half broken software, undervolt, delidd, slow and inferior Panel, terrible fan profiles, pathethic speakers, mediocre keyboard at best and trash batterylife then by all means, go ahead.

    http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gt63-titan-046.html

    be smart, get a notebook that isn't broken out of the box and enjoy the performance you deserve.

    Reasons why the MSI is vastly superior to the trash clevo:
    - Cooling system is much more superior to the Clevo, quieter as well.
    - MSI GTX 1080 is superior to the Clevo Card.
    - TN panel is much much much better than the Clevo IPS panel, color coverage is far superior, blacks are much better, contrast if far superior, refreshrate is far superior, responsetime is so much better, comparing them is a joke etc. The only trhing the IPS panel does better is viewing angle and a little brighter.
    - Support for your system is far superior on MSI system, drivers work, software is excellent. Clevo has half broken control panel which are being reused on systems from 2014.
    - Due to much better drivers and sound system, the MSI smokes the Clevo notebook both in speakers and headphones that uses the audio jack.
    - Despite having a BGA coffee lake, the performance is on par with the 8700non K. Not that it matters, since games run pretty much the same on 8700K or 7700HQ, there are only very very very few titles that do make a "noticable" (very loose term here) performance when using a better CPU, also thats the reason why people tend to buy a cheap I5 combined with a high end graphicscard for their gaming rigs.
    - Steelseries keyboard + Software smokes the outdated mediocre keyboard and joke keyboard software which the clevo is using.

    Overall, the MSI is on an entirely different level. Do yourself a favor and go to a store, then check out the GT 63 / GT 73 VR notebooks and if possible (most stores don't want to support the broken garbage LGA jokebooks so its hard to find em) check out the garbage clevo in comparison, you'll think it's a bad joke.
     
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  7. ekkolp

    ekkolp Notebook Evangelist

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    MSI TN panel is WAY worse than IPS CLEVO IMO.
     
  8. Danishblunt

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    Clevo IPS panel:
    - 1080p
    - 60hz
    - viewing angle 80/80/80/80
    .- extremely slow reactiontime (~ 25 - 30ms)
    - contrast 1110:1
    - Color coverage: 83.3% sRGB (Argyll) 55% AdobeRGB 1998 (Argyll)
    - Gamma 2.14
    - 0.3 cd/m²
    - Average: 317.3 nits brightness

    MSI TN panel:
    - 1080p
    - 120hz
    - viewing angle:85/85/60/60
    - extremely fast reactiontime (3-7ms)
    - Contrast: 1228:1
    - Color Coverage: 100% sRGB (Argyll) 75% AdobeRGB 1998 (Argyll)
    - Gamma: 2.12
    - black value 0.25 cd/m²
    - Average: 283.9 nits brightness

    Clevo fanboy alert. Nobody cares about your biased oppinion. The MSI panel is superior, it's a fact, not an oppinion.
     
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  9. aIex

    aIex Notebook Consultant

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    Damn, I'm to late with the popcorn. :/
     
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    Legion343 Notebook Consultant

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    This Chi Mei is a great TN display (on pair or outperform 75 Hz IPS in G-Sync laptops). The Clevo 120 Hz QHD is also worse (contrast).

    However the new PA70ES-G have option for 144 Hz IPS from AUO (i haven't tested it but other AUO displays were really good ones so i have high hopes for these). Maybe this panel will be available with P775 too?
     
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