Clevo + Ryzen: possible?

Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by thegh0sts, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Lets break it down, the RX480 uses more power at stock than an overclocked 1060 does. Performance is similar to the 1060 in a lot of ways as a direct competitor looking at a broad picture.

    Now you need to design a PCB + Heatsink, do the validation and driver support on a card that sits in the lower end of the product stack and sell it to enthusiasts in a platform that already has a markup due to the form factor.

    For the 1060 all you had to do was put the chip on the same PCB as the 1070 and 1080 and populate it with less memory chips and power phases.

    Suddenly it's not so cheap anymore without some serious help.

    The BOM cost for an end user deliverable is only a fraction of the story.
     
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  2. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    ?

    Cool story. Now tell it again in regards to GTX 480m - special board (because of the big @$$ chip) *, late to the party, hotter, more expensive, yet it was there and I bet it outsold the AMD (5870m). This is what I'm saying the whole time - it's fine if nGREEDIA puts yet another crap, but if it's AMD, it has to be PERFECT AND CHEAP in order to have a CHANCE of seeing it. Yeah, that's why clevo is dead to me. I might bring some flowers later.

    EDIT: * Forgot the main star.
     
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  3. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    So you're saying they should repeat the failure of the 480m rather than learn from it?
     
  4. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    P870DM3 is a proof that they "learned" a lot in that case (sarcasm, translates as - they've learned nothing at all). And yes I do realize that I want a Ryzen in the same chassis (and I said that it's better to be single GPU), but again - it can be done for some, but not for others. So, are they learning from their mistakes? No.

    Root for monopoly guys, I dearly hope that the next xx60 GPU would cost you $2499, which can be installed in a $5999 barebones. OWWWWWW YEAAAAHHH!!! Enjoy.
     
  5. jaug1337

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    The main problem with AMD is that the power draw is too high, this isn't a significant issue on a desktop, but once we are talking laptops, it is a question about improving the cooling (from fans to heatsinks to new thermal design and relocation of everything in the chassis) to a even larger PSU.

    Which is basically a headache in itself.

    I for one, for now, cannot imagine cramming the current Ryzen generation and a AMD GPU into a desktop replacement or a gaming station laptop. You will need a refrigerator to cool down the laptop.

    And that is just for stock... now if you OC (don't even mention OV) you will have to be sitting somewhere near the northern pole, outside, to have optimal temps.


    Until we see better power draws from their GPU, it is nSHI**** all the way. Ryzen can work tho, again, if the cooling will be optimised.... The prices on laptops will most likely be absurd anyways, as always.
     
  6. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox Undefiled BGA-Hating Elitist

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    The main problem for AMD is they have about a 6 year long history of selling loser GPUs and 10+ year history of selling loser CPUs, and zero effort to even pretend to participate in the high performance notebook space. People that want and can afford the best performance available won't settle for mediocrity and lameness. It is difficult to trust and respect a company that has been AWOL this long and focusing on kids toys (console gaming). Working with them would be a potentially huge financial risk for any notebook ODM. It could also be very rewarding if things work out in the right way. One thing that needs to happen is for AMD to release an enthusiast grade GPU that overclocks extremely well and is capable of matching or beating the 1080 Ti. This needs to happen on both desktop and notebook platforms for them to be taken seriously in the enthusiast circles. AMD have been the laughing stock in PC world for a long time. Ryzen has potential to bring about a positive change, but the trust factor has yet to be re-established.
     
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  7. Papusan

    Papusan BGABOOK's = That sucks!! STAHP! Dont buy FILTH...

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    Intel's Cannon Lake PC chip shipments may slip into next year

    "If you were expecting to buy laptops with Intel’s next-generation Core chips—code-named Cannon Lake—by the end of this year, you may be disappointed."


    "There’s a chance that shipments of Cannon Lake—Intel’s first on the 10-nanometer production process—may slip into next year."

    "So don’t expect Cannon Lake laptops during this year’s holiday season. Instead, users will be able to get PCs with 8th Generation Core processors, which are made on the 14-nm process. PCs now are available with 7th Generation Core processors code-named Kaby Lake."

    "Those 8th Generation Core laptops may be more attractive to customers. The first 10-nm Cannon Lake chips will be slower than 14-nm 8th Generation Core processors. Intel acknowledged the speeds during the manufacturing event, with a chart showing 10-nm chips catching up with 14-nm chip performance in one to two years."

    "The first Cannon Lake chips will be targeted at low-power laptops and 2-in-1s. PC makers typically need time to test the chips in laptops, so availability of the chips in mainstream PCs may drag into 2018."
     
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  8. sicily428

    sicily428 Notebook Evangelist

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    http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(372)ec

    Eurocom launches Dual Processor, Quad GPU 19.1” UltraHD Tornado F9 Mobile Supercomputer Super Laptop supporting dual AMD Ryzen 7 series desktop processors with four desktop GPUs

    Eurocom launches 19.1” UltraHD Tornado F9 Super High Performance Mobile Supercomputer Super Laptop supporting dual AMD Ryzen 7 series desktop processors with Dual SLI NVIDIA GeForce 1080Ti MXM 3.1 desktop graphics, or AMD Radeon RX580, 8 SODIMM, 6 NVME M.2 SSD drives


    maybe a joke :) Ahahahaha!
     
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    Thousandmagister Notebook Enthusiast

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  10. XMG

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    It is April 1st after all ;-)
     
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