Clevo P170EM upgrade with 980M: Little Big Details

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  1. Dutch76

    Dutch76 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello,

    I'm waiting for a 980M card to replace the original 7970M, which stopped working some days ago on my Clevo P170EM.

    The card is coming from China, via ebay, since the price of the upgrade kits from specialized Resellers, coupled with shipping and European customs, is just the double, which is out of proportion (~800€).

    Like a drunken gambler, I’m watching the wheel spinning, in the hope that the ball will stop, at some point, on the lucky Prema BIOS.

    For now, no success in contacting the Boss and impossible to acquire the software from the official associated hardware resellers, without buying an entire new rig.

    In the meantime, I’m preparing for the chirurgical intervention on the half blind Clevo, and for that I would like to dress and inventory, to be verified with the kind support of the community.

    To install the 980M in place of the 7970M, I would need (please correct me if I’m wrong):

    • The spacer, which is currently below the 7970M

    • The video card, with the associated, specific NVIDIA X Bracket

    • The 4 screws to fix the bracket and backplate to the 980M: are those specific or I can use those of the 7970M?

    • The 2 Hex Nuts to fix the video card to the laptop, normally supplied with the laptop so not NVIDIA/ATI specific, correct?

    • The thermal pads to be adapted to the 7970M heatsink
      • Either I’ll buy a kit of pre-cut one from Eurocom (40€ shipped)

      • or I’ll buy some arctic of 0.5 mm thickness and 1.5 thickness (14€ tot) and play with them, but it can be risky. Your opinion?
    • The 7970M heatsink, in 2 parts

    • The 3 black screws required to fix the memory cooler to the hex nuts and chassis, normally supplied with the laptop so not NVIDIA/ATI specific, correct? I shall pay attention not to damage those because apparently they are fragile.

    • The 4 screws required to fix the GPU core cooler to the card:
      • are those specific or I can use the ATI ones?

      • If I cannot use the ATI ones, anybody knows which size is compatible with 980M and where to acquire them please?
    • The thermal compound, which will be the humble Arctic Silver 5

    I hope this list and thread may also help others to inventory the little details which matter.

    Thank you in advance for your help.
     
  2. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    Alright and already you made a big mistake. Never buy from china you will get inferior components on your hardware, it will likely die rather soon, we already had a person here who made the mistake and after just a couple of months he ended up with a dead card.

    Just buy a P170SM heatsink from Ebay, it will save you a lot of hassle and it's better than your P170EM one. it will be plug and play.

    Contact @woodzstack for proper hardware in the future. He offers excelent services and prices, would always recommend.
     
  3. bennyg

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    Everything is made IN China, good and bad, where do you think non-Chinese retailers/etailers get their stock from? Anyway it's already done, so that's not really much help to OP.

    Yes SM heatsink is better, but not necessary. Good old AS5 may not be up to it though especially if you want to OC. The EM heatsink can do alright if you tape up / block (with foam chunks) all the air gaps between fan and differently shaped grille...

    Reused:
    core heatsink
    vrm heatsink + hex nuts x2 + screws x3

    Specific to new card:
    X-bracket (but screws from old one will probably still fit)
    Thermal pads (1mm for chokes and 2mm for memory/fets IIRC. Good fit is more important than the W/mK of the pads and they are very easy to cut yourself)

    Spacers are unnecessary since the two hex nuts anchor the card to the mobo flat

    None of the screws are particularly fragile, I have screwed and unscrewed my P370EM heatsinks a hundred times in the past half year (lots and LOTS of vBIOS flashing requiring disassembly each time) and I think *one* of them is looking a little bit stripped. The right fitting screw head is critically important, if untouched from the factory there may be blue threadlocker needing a bit of grunt to break. A $10 swappable head screwdriver set from china will do fine
     
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  4. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    I guess I could be more precise about it. Never buy from chinese seller on ebay then.

    I just told him in case it will die and he needs to get new, because I'm certain he will likely need a new one anyways. Also I think SM heatsink is somewhat a must when you plan on running a GTX 980M, especially when doing OC, the whole 2 part heatsink really hurts the cooling.
     
  5. Dutch76

    Dutch76 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Ok guys, first of all thanks for your quick feedback:

    1. For the card, it will come from here:
    https://www.ebay.fr/itm/nVidia-GTX980M-8G-MXM-SLI-N16E-GX-A1-video-Graphics-card-for-notebook-laptop/132466360469?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

    If you think that this is a potentially lower quality product I can send it back at arrival. The issue is that any purchase from Canada or US will be heavily affected by shipping and customs, so unless someone knows a shop in Europe or Asia which is reliable, the alternatives will not be many. I'll contact @woodzstack in any case for a quote, thanks

    By the way, the Arctic Silver 5 is also from eBay, UK. Is this an issue?

    2. For the heat sink, is this one from ebay below (pictures on the right and last one), originally from an ATI 8970M, significantly better than the one I’m supposed to find inside my laptop (picture on the left), due to the black plastic aiding to interface the fins to the heatsink and the more compact single file fins set? Is this the detail you’re pointing at?


    upload_2018-1-25_13-35-56.png VS upload_2018-1-25_13-35-56.png

    upload_2018-1-25_13-52-14.png

    3. I’m procuring a serious set of magnetic screw driver with multiple heads, so that should be covered
     
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  6. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    It isn¨t about the plastic, it's about that the newer heatsinks have the VRM heatsink connected to the same heatsink as the GPU, meaning you have 1 part heatsink instead of a 2part heatsink you got more mass for the vrms and potentially GPU as well.

    AS5 is outdated, there are way better ones out there, since I know the heatsink you're working with i strongly suggest ICDiamond. The heatsink fit of the clevo series is terrible so pastes like ICDiamond which are thicker perform significantly better. That was also the case when I had the same unmodded heatsink like you have.

    Also that looks like refurbsihed cards on the screen. Important to note that those screenshots you're looking at are 2 different GTX 980M's.
     
  7. Dutch76

    Dutch76 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks again, so:
    • I'll buy the heatsink shown above
    • I'll wait for the 980M to arrive and in the meantime try to acquire alternative quotes. If I find a reasonable price, I'll send back the chinese one.
    • I'll buy IC Diamond and send back AS5

    Thank you for your help
     
  8. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    If the card matches the picture (samsung ram, those inductors etc) it's likely ok in terms of component choice, post it up if there are differences.
     
  9. Danishblunt

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    You could use the AS5 for the CPU, since ICD is pretty bad for that one. The CPU fit is oddly enough very tight. Due to the high thickness it pressed more paste out of the system than I'd like it to have done.
     
  10. Dutch76

    Dutch76 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks, I'll post pictures upon arrival, that will maybe help everybody knowing if that specific eBay shop sells quality components or not.

    Great, it is already in delivery so it will be a pain to send it back
     
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