Clevo 2020

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  1. 1GreyGhost1

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    Samsung PM983 NF1 NVMe PCIe SSD, 3.84TB

    Manufacturer Part Number: MZ4LB3T8HALS-00003

    Features and Benefits:

    • Unmatched Density – Six times the front-accessible storage system density of comparable U.2 SSDs.
    • High-Performance – Four times the performance of SATA SSDs, using Samsung state-of-the-art 3D vertical-NAND (V-NAND) flash
    memory. An optimized Samsung NVMe controller with a native PCIe Gen 3.0 x4 host interface supplies 32 Gb/s of bandwidth.
    • Exceptional Value – The same low cost per gigabyte as slower SATA SSDs. By providing four times the IOPS per dollar, data
    center operators can continue to scale workload utilization on their servers, decreasing the cost of computing.

    Specifications:

    Form factor: NF1
    Capacity: 3.84 TB
    Host interface: PCIe Gen 3 x4 @ 32 Gb/s
    Spec Compliance: NVMe spec rev. 1.2 (partial), PCI Express CEM spec rev. 3.0, PCI Express base specification rev. 3.0
    NAND flash memory: Samsung V-NAND
    Power consumption: Active read/write up to 8.7/10.6 W, Idle 4.0 W (typical)
    Write Endurance (@4K random write): 1.3 DWPD for 3 Years. Up 21,864 TBW.
    Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate (UBER): 1 sector per 10^17 bits read
    Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF): 2,000,000 hours
    Endurance: 1.3 DWPD for 3 years
    Sequential read: Up to 3,000 MB/s
    Sequential write: Up to 1,900 MB/s
    Random read: Up to 520,000 IOPS
    Random write: Up to 45,000 IOPS
    Physical Dimensions: 30.5 x 110 x 4.8 mm

    Warranty: 3 Years Limited Warranty
     
  2. ole!!!

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    NF1 has its form factor not too standard and meant for enterprise where they are willing to pay for custom desgin/cooling solution.

    technically, they should already be capable of doing 6TB on a single NVMe m.2 2280 form factor, just no one will prob buy it so they dont bother.

    3yrs ago we already have Samsung 960 pro MLC with 2TB on a single 2280 M.2 form. lets assume die shrink didnt really happen due to no competition for samsung, a 50% is reasonable considering nothing really new since then, 2TB -> 3TB but usually its doubling every 1.5 yr, so technically we could have gotten much larger.

    then 3TB is MLC, to TLC at least doubles the capacity, so 6TB should be easily doable by samsung, but we still only got 2TB 960 pro 3 yrs later. samsung is trying to milk as much as possible for sure, then theres the QLC problem right now that yields are so low it cost more to make than TLC. gotta wait at least another 1-2 yrs.
     
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    pricing is still an issue. 4TB SATA drives have barely begun to enter the consumer market. only recently, WD joined Samsung as the only manufacturer to provide consumer SSDs in the 4TB class. so there is just no market yet due to pricing...

    I for one just recently got myself 2x4TB 860 Evo drives, so not gonna abandon SATA drives anytime soon haha :)

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  4. ole!!!

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    theres like 8 TB to 10 TB sata drives exist like 4-5 yrs ago lol at standard 9.5mm SSD but they charge a premium for it something like 36k rofl.

    but yea im not ready to abandon SATA yet until we get bigger capacity on m.2 to at least 8 TB and that'll probably take at least another 2-3yrs.
     
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    thats why i was specifically referring to "consumer" drives. the models you are mentioning are for servers / workstations / business clients. without warranty for private individuals and with abysmal write IOPS performance :) and yeah, again, pricing is even worse for these drives in terms of cost per TB...

    same here, my current 9.5 TB of SSD storage will last me for quite a while until Ill need another upgrade :)

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  6. ole!!!

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    these bastid OEMs charging more for NVMe SSDs when they should be charging less. these controllers are not that much different and expensive to make actually and most of these controllers only differ by a bit, it is simply the SATA bandwidth limit thats holding SSD performance back. when switch to NVMe they all use that as an excuse to charge extra.

    at the beginning it was fine because they had to start some where making capable controller etc but as time goes out, which has been like 3-4yrs already, they should not charge more. M.2 uses much less material and no need for external casing, they are milking consumer at this point because the "standard" is to charge more for NVMe PCIe SSDs.

    i can swallow up optane being costly also due to primary factor being intel/micron joint for pushing innovating something new, and performance wise it is league above flash. but going from SATA to PCIe SSD majority of latency reduction comes from the protocol and them making a bit powerful controller and charge a premium, no good.
     
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  8. fungmi

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    Hi, not sure I follow. Eurocom sell these adapters for P870 and P775
     
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    And they are not approved by the usual major safety labels and are not suitable for all environments.
     
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  10. ole!!!

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    with clevo machine, you can always go the route of adapter. at home dual 330w, when on the go take a single 330w with you leave the adapter and other 330w at home.
     
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