Clevo 2019

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  1. bennyg

    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    I tried that on my 9900K a while back to estimate a 45W limit ... any power limit that would have forced it to run below base clock was ignored (3.6 used approx 65W on TSBench so effectively 65W is the minimum a 9900K can be run at using power limits).

    I did manage to emulate below base clock /sub-65W loads with trial and error on Speedshift/EPP settings.
     
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  2. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Well true but then again the base TDP is max load at base clock.
     
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  3. ole!!!

    ole!!! Notebook Prophet

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    thats giving intel too much credit bro. "always" would be the key word and have to define how long it goes back to.

    1st gen core i7 920xm, then 940xm more refined silicon
    2nd gen 22nm - 2920xm & 2600k, then 6mo 2960xm & 2700k
    3rd gen 22nm - 3920xm & 3770k, then 6mo and ONLY 3940xm, intel reducing cost starts now.
    4th gen 22nm - 4930mx & 4770k, then respectively 9 month to 1 yr later, 4940mx & 4790k.
    5th gen broadwell, first generation 14nm it was so bad for efficiency at high clocks they made very few skus based on it.
    6th gen 14nm which will be first refinement of 14nm, 1yr+ after broadwell comes skylake.
    7th gen 14nm+ another refinement which is another 1yr+
    8th gen 14nm++ another refinement comes 9-11 months after with limited supplies
    9th gen 14nm++ i think its better than 8th gen but hitting diminish return, the next comet lake 10 core will most likely be little to no improvement except 2 additional cores.

    so all of those 14nm suppose to just last 1 yr, with the 2nd half of that year being a refinement but since 10nm went down the drain thats what they got. reducing cost, prolong the 14nm and reduce more cost.
     
  4. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    You can also refine a process more for yields than raw clocks or cherry pick for a special series ala 8700k vs 8086k
     
  5. XMG

    XMG Company Representative

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    Can confirm. Clevo has set PL1 to 55W and PL2 to (wait for it) 107W!
    Source: we have i9-9980HK in stock now.

    OC greetings,
    XMG|Tom
     
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  6. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    well if Clevo keeps the cooling system of the LGA system then 107W would be no biggie to handle for their systems :) especially as temporary PL2 limit
     
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    You do have to work within the dimensions of the unit of course.
     
  8. Stooj

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    Indeed, I have since acquired one myself an I can confirm that so far I've used as much as 140W! (Overclocking)
    And there's no sign of the overclock slowing down.

    The cooling system is quite compact in the PB51 I have. Relatively few heatpipes compared to the larger LGA systems. However, the fans are significantly more dense and the exhausts run out to the rear and sides (as opposed to just rear on older models).
    I've got mine running 4.6ghz all-core at the aforementioned 140W at around 85C (Max fans mind you). More info and benchmarks are in the OC lounge.

    I suspect that the lack of IHS actually helps the situation immensely as the die is otherwise identical to the 9900K AFAIK.
     
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    The cooling does sit between the desktop models and the slim models for sure.
     
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    Yes for a user, but NO for a manufacturer. There is always room for improvement. The airflow wasn't designed to handle the heat from a 16-core 14nm++++ CPU. If intel follows AMD, then we might be talking about 32-core for the next generation 14nm++++++. Will the cooling still be enough? The answer is NO.
     
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