Choice between Legion 7, MSI GP66 and PCS Ionico 17

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  1. Sptz

    Sptz Notebook Consultant

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    Hi everyone,

    I'm looking for a powerful laptop that can not only be portable but will be used 90% of the time as a desktop replacement, it will be connected to my gigabyte g34wqc and I won't game on the inbuilt display. So having a mux switch isn't a big deal, I will only be using the built in display when I bring it with me somewhere else in the house or outside and most of the workload will be coding / browsing etc anyway.

    After looking around I've narrowed everything down to these ones. One mandatory thing is that it needs 32GB of ram (even if I add it later or not). So these are the ones.

    Lenovo Legion 7:
    • Ryzen 7 5800H
    • 16" WQXGA (2560x1600, IPS 500nits Anti-glare, 165Hz, 100% sRGB, Dolby Vision, HDR 400, Free-Sync, G-Sync, DC dimmer)
    • 16GB Ram (I know they're shipping with crappy higher timings one, would be replaced)
    • 1TB SSD
    • RTX 3080
    • 360 mm x 260 mm x 20.1 mm - 2.5KG
    • 80Wh
    https://www.box.co.uk/82N6001PUK-Lenovo-Legion-7-(2021)-AMD-Ryzen-7-16GB-_3557999.html#DetailTop

    PCSpecialist Ionico 17:
    • Intel i7 11800H (Ryzen not configurable for RTX 3080)
    • 17" 165Hz QHD Panel (2560 x 1440), sRGB 100%
    • 32GB Ram or less (selectable, no idea on timings)
    • 1TB SSD
    • RTX 3080
    • 394mm x 260.8mm x 20mm - 2.3KG
    • 91.24WH
    https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/ionico-II-17/

    MSI GP66 11UH-251:
    • Intel i7 11800H
    • 15.6" FHD (1920*1080), 240Hz, close to 100% sRGB
    • 32GB Ram (no idea on timings)
    • 1TB SSD
    • RTX 3080
    • 358 x 267 x 23.4 mm - 2.38KG
    • 65Whr
    https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156...ddr4-1tb-nvme-ssd-8gb-rtx-3080-usb-32-gen1-wi

    I'm leaning towards Ionico since it's 17" and super lightweight and top notch specs for a good price. But I'm also a bit torn between the Legion 7. The MSI, I'm a bit wary tbh...

    Which of the three would be the best bang for buck and would you add something else in?
     
  2. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I'd personally get the Legion 7 because I'm not a fan of the chassis make the Ionico uses. Laptops based on Tongfang designs like that one are cheap because their build quality isn't great. They're also the only laptop brand I've used in the last decade that suffered from screens with dead pixels - I have a feeling they use panels that are B-stock or otherwise rejected by larger manufacturers.
     
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  3. Tech Junky

    Tech Junky Notebook Deity

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    It's up to you but, I've used the Legion series and they're pretty decent. PCS sounds like a Clevo which might offer more bang for your buck.

    I would spec these out with the CPU / GPU you "need" and baseline / barebone everything else. RAM/drives are always going to be cheaper than upgrading at purchase.

    Do you need a RTX3080? Coding / Browsing doesn't scream gamer to me.

    MSI gets mixed reviews around here. I've had their MOBO's in the past for desktop use and they're fine for that use. Another thing to keep in mind is Alder Lake 12th gen CPU's are right around the corner and boosting bandwidth with Gen 5 PCIE / DDR5. Should know more by the end of the month on when mobile versions are being released.
     
  4. Sptz

    Sptz Notebook Consultant

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    Reason I want a 3080 is because I might sometimes game on my LG C9 (so HDMI 2.1), on games that aren't on my XSX etc, though this wouldn't be a constant ocurrence. My thinking is might as well have the best to increase longevity.
     
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    That's fair but, the best comes with consequences like heat and that means less longevity. Going with a 3080 though if you swap out laptops every 1-2 years would retain value longer to put towards your next rig with a R6000 or whatever they come up with.

    I can see HDMI 2.1 being useful though content pushing those limits is a ways off right now. 4K doesn't need 2.1 to work properly. I did upgrade to some 8K cables just because the price difference was negligible and hey were braided for longer durability than 2.0x cables.

    Games work fine on lower spec GPUs it just really matters which titles you're planning on playing to make the most out of the AAAA GPU you're looking at. If you can't keep the heat down while playing they won't make much of a difference in FPS if you're playing action oriented games. If it's something a bit more subdued then it's just overkill.

    I suspect something a bit more mid range might make more sense financially if budget is a factor Don't fall for the hype of these over priced machines if you don't / won't be a pro gamer. I'd get a decent laptop for everyday stuff and build a desktop for gaming if you're going to spend some serious time gaming. A lot easier to upgrade a desktop when a new GPU comes out than a laptop.

    As to using your TV for gaming... you can connect either directly through HDMI or through a USB-C hub (cheaper than RTX3080). 120hz isn't hard to pull off over USB. There's tons of different ways to skin this cat when it comes to flex use occasionally. .You do have some high end monitors to play around with though so, maybe it's worth it.
     
  6. jlp0209

    jlp0209 Notebook Evangelist

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    Have to vote for the Legion 7, I've been using mine for the last couple of weeks. It's so good I am selling off my desktop as I've been gaming less on PC lately. Heat is not a problem, this thing stays so cool under load. Build quality is A+. If support / warranty is important Lenovo is also a safe bet with its Ultimate Support onsite warranty options. Also if you can get the Intel version you can undervolt + OC it as well.

    I've been using a Tongfang based laptop for the past 2 months as well, quality control can be iffy. Looks like the retailer you'd buy from has a good warranty so that's a plus. The CPU may throttle though depending on the load because it's so thin. I have the 15.6" version with AMD 5800H and it gets very hot and usually hovers around 3.8ghz while gaming. Intel versions I think run cooler because they worked with Tongfang on the cooling from what I read some months ago, if I recall correctly.

    Never liked MSI build quality or laptops in general, can't comment on current ones since I've only owned the 14" GS43 some years ago. I went through two 17" laptops as well that same year, GT series. Returned them both. CPU heatsink was terribly uneven resulting in large differences among core temps.

    There will always be something better on the horizon. If you need a laptop now get a laptop now. The 3080 and 5800H / 11800H are no slouches and will last you several years.
     
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