CF-30 vs CF-19

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  1. Humzahh

    Humzahh Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello everyone,

    My name is Humzah. Yes, this is one of those threads where you, the reader, groan and say "this is another one of those threads."

    I read the rules already so if I'm doing something wrong, I sincerely apologize and request the moderators here to help me. Aside from that, I've scoured Google, and I can't seem to get the answers or information I want, so I come to you guys for the answer.

    I have a CF-28 already, but being a craigslist buy ($40), the hard drive was totally non-functional and although the computer started, it didn't launch Windows 98 like it was supposed to, and got stuck on Command Prompt. This was about a month ago, and after buying and trying several different pieces of tech and hard drives and trying to install Windows 98 again myself, I've simply given up on the CF-28 I currently have, and it now sits, depressed, under my bed, along with it's HDD next to it.

    Fast forward to now - I found and narrowed down my search to two different Toughbooks on Ebay that I'm having a hard time deciding between; A CF-19, and a CF-30.

    The only reason I'm having a hard time, is because of the specs between the laptops. Honestly, I like to think I know a thing or two when it comes to computers - because I do - but by no definition am I a pro.

    Here is the CF-19, and here's the CF-30.

    Allow me to explain why I'm having a hard time making a decision:

    - I like the size of the CF-30. I have big hands, so a sizable keyboard is nice to have, and spaced out keys. The CF-19 on the other hand, looks cramped. (Or it may not be, I've never used either. Just going off looks.)

    - As much as I like the size of the CF-30, it's not touchscreen... Not a deal breaker, but it'd be nice to have for all the notes I take in college, and to save paper. I already use my Surface Pro for this and it's great, but I need something a little more versatile and tough.

    - I prefer the hard-handle of the CF-30 over the strap on the CF-19. Again, basing this on my opinion formed already from the CF-28 I currently have, and have never dealt in-person with a strap type.

    - The CF-30's processing power is definitely noticeably higher than the CF-19. Not by much, but it seems that it'd make a difference.

    - The CF-19 has a DB-9 Serial Port on it (which was the main reason I got my current CF-28) that I need to program my group of Motorola HT-1000 radios. Alternatively, the CF-30 doesn't have a DB-9 Serial Port.

    - Both make up for not having Optical Disk Drives by carrying SD Card slots.

    - The CF-19 has double the HDD space of the CF-30 (160GB), and 1GB of RAM more (4GB).

    - The CF-30 possesses a newer OS (Windows 7) according to the description, versus Windows XP on the CF-19. I've emailed the seller of the CF-30 asking for more specs on the machine as I post this.

    - The CF-19 simply is listed with more detail and just feels more complete and packed - I don't even understand what some of the specs are, but hey, it comes with the Toughbook. As they say, packaging and presentation do make a difference.

    - The CF-19 is, according to Google, much lighter than a CF-30. This is definitely a plus.

    I'm sure there's more, but all in all, you can see here now the reasons why I am torn between these two Toughbooks for sale. While I want one, I can't stop thinking about the other. I'm feeling antsy though, because I know these are good deals either way, and I'm wishing I knew what to choose already because I've got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that one of them is going to be gone when I finally make up my mind.

    So this is where I pose the question to the gurus here - what are your opinions, if any, about both these machines? Which would you suggest over the other, and why? Or, is there a different model out there that has the best of both worlds of these Toughbooks, and then some? As far as budget goes, I'm afraid $220 is the most I can do - hence these Toughbook choices.

    Thanks for reading all this, and I really look forward to hearing from you guys.
     
  2. Shawn

    Shawn Crackpot Search Ninja

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    Of those 2, The CF 19 is a better choice. By far.
    Also the seller of the CF19 seems to be better and offers much more info.

    I must ask. Is that your spending limit? Could you manage to go any higher?
    A CF31 is tremendously better than either of these. I personally don't have a budget one for sale at the moment. However, there are bargains available on ebay or from other members. We//I can direct you.
    Where are you located?
     
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    Humzahh Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it. I know nothing about Toughbooks, so any information's better than none for me.

    And I'd have to say that yes, it's pretty much my spending limit. Depending on how much more a CF-31 would cost me, I might be able to allocate a little more money toward one, but it really depends.

    I am in Dallas, Texas.
     
  4. SHEEPMAN!

    SHEEPMAN! Freelance

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    1. Big hands I understand. The CF-19 is not a touch typist unit. In my case I have a back-lit keyboard which separates the keys a little. And I never use the CF-19. It rides in the bag in my Fire Unit....Engine 7.

    2. In my "stable" I have several touch models.....you're talking hand written notes, yes?

    3. Speaking of stable....the 52 is STABLE on the table. 14 inches wide.

    Take a hard look at CF-52 GUN____. "Semi-rugged"....the only factory CF-52 TOUCH model. It uses the CF-30 lcd and touch panel.

    Not blowing smoke up yer wazoo as they say....I'm typing on one right now. Crudeness...sorry.

    For finishing up notes etc. the red LED's (instead of back-lit keyboard) won't keep your room-mate awake. The led's are affixed to the screen bezel NOT part of the keyboard. (keyboard breakage does not affect k.b. back light)

    3. Yes, I would have jumped from CF-29 MK-3 to CF-31 MK-3 if funds were not an issue. Problem is I have all the in-between stuff too......and have not made a red cent..........................ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm....maybe a cupla bucks on some 31MK2.

    I'm done!...not arguing with Shawn....he's my partner on the SW USA. (PA)

    You my friend got lucky. Shawn or I can set you up (with our inventory and contacts) like no one on ebay...............granted they (eBay) have the inventory......but we sir, have the turn-key units out of the box.....or as Shawnster said....modded to spec.

    Jayburd
    from: CF-52 GUNBR2M
    p.s. $220/ea buys a loaded CF-30 CCS85BM (maybe 3 of them)
     
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  5. Humzahh

    Humzahh Notebook Enthusiast

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    Good points on the size and features.

    Also, I tried to send you a PM, but I guess there just isn't a way to do so on this site. What kind of spec-modded setup are you talking? Or would it be too far out of my range?
     
  6. SHEEPMAN!

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    Tell me about your avatar. Breed? I LIKE the picture.

    I will go back to Shawn's BST (buy-sell- trade) I'm thinking the only thing "missing" is 4G wireless. Otherwise his CF-31 is "loaded". Give me a few minutes.

    FYI.....I hate to take the time to talk about this stuff and then never hear from the OP (original poster) again. Apparently NOT an issue here. :D Thank you.

    Shawn is in PA I am in CA. What I mean is he worked all day and is in bed and I work nights. :)

    Yeah kinda weird. You should be able to click my avatar and start a "Conversation" If you do please add the Shawnster as a cc or bcc.

    Jayburd
     
  7. Humzahh

    Humzahh Notebook Enthusiast

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    Haha I honestly don't know, It's an old picture I found off Google searching "White Wolf".

    And if it's missing 4G wireless, does that mean it's also lacking the GPS module? From the research I HAVE done, I recall seeing that the GPS module is integral with WWAN capabilities. and sure, I've got time.

    Well, I'm really looking to upgrade my arsenal :p

    And I know how it is with the night shift - I work Dispatch myself. Boyyyy does it get slow sometimes haha
     
  8. CWB32

    CWB32 Need parts for my flying saucer.

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    "Not blowing smoke up yer wazoo as they say..."
    to the best of my knowledge , that term was/is not crude in it's original context , but rather was a common medical practice into the late 1800s ... with a "revival" in the quackery/snake oil *professions* in the early 1900s to 1920 or thereabout .
    however , i shall digress .

    yessir , if you can swing it , a '31 , '19 and a '52 are a wiser investment of funds .
    the '31 has a display that is every bit as bright as a '30 , and is led based rather than ccfl ... those ccfls shift spectral output and brightness over time .
    replacement of them is not easy .
    leds are much more stable and have a much longer life ...
    plus the '31 can be used as a weapon .
    i do like the ability to have the gps module (aftermarket) mounted in the lid , whereas the '19 has it on the side .
    (wasn't there talk of some mod work to get a gps module in the lid of a '19 ?)

    the early '52s had a screen that was dim ... a later MK version used a led backlight that immensely brightened things up .
    there is also a difference in the resolution capabilities of the two basic types (to the best of my knowledge) .
    (shawn or sdlmkr can elaborate further on this and other points of interest/differentiation)

    the '19 does indeed have a smaller keyboard but i have seen guys with fat-fingers use these style of smaller keyboards ... mind you , they are not like those itty-bitty prop-it-up keyboards used with those *tablet* comps .
    (i figured out why they are called "tablets" ... you have to take a couple of ibuprofen because they are such a headache to own/use) .
    handle or strap ... if you pack books (you know , those rectangular things with all the pages in them) you will appreciate being able to sling it across your shoulder ... of course , one can always figure out how to put a strap on a '31 or '52 .
    (i think sdlmkr made *holsters* for these comps ... i remember something in passing)
    the ability to spin the display/lid 180 and lock it down is great for note taking (as well as navigation in the cockpit)

    disclaimer ; i don't make a penny on the sale of any item on this forum ... i am not a "paid endorser" ... i believe in/practice rigorous honesty and "fair dinkum" dealings .
    the chaps on/in this forum are straight-shooters and will not sell you a pig-in-a-poke ... period .
    they will not lead you down a/the merry path and then leave you high and dry .
    they will attempt to answer any questions you have ... so ask away .

    with any of these comps , a ssd is the way to go ... hands down .
     
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    Great information, thank you!

    I think after doing some more specific reading, I'm going to stick with a CF-19 for my uses (garage motorcycle work, around rowdy kids in a church environment, etc.)

    I guess my next question would be - what is a Gobi, and why is it significant? Is it the same thing as a GPS, or does it replace the module for a GPS? And of course because people like features, would a rubberized backlit keyboard be preferable over a standard, or vice versa?

    What I'm trying to get at, is that I'm very interested in this CF-19, but after coming upon this one with Windows 7 already installed, I'm not sure which to go with and what I lose with choosing one over the other. I'm not even sure if I understand the basic thing such as the keyboard - if the description states it to be rubberized, does it automatically mean that it's backlit?

    Look forward to your and anybody elses answers!
     
  10. Shawn

    Shawn Crackpot Search Ninja

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    I have shoulder straps on my 19, 31, and 52

    Gobi is a 3g receiver for data like your phone.

    Some Gobi's have "gps" but generally they are not that great. The dedicated module is much better.

    Rubber keyboards are VERY difficult to type on.
     
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