Can I boot and use Sata drive on IDE laptop using adapter?

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  1. kimiraikkonen

    kimiraikkonen Notebook Evangelist

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    Hi folks.
    The title says it all. My ancient Hitachi harddrive died at the age of 15 as of today but it was merely used so its death was all of sudden. My ACER ASPIRE 3000 notebook only supoorts IDE interface and I CANNOT find any health 2.5" IDE/PATA drives here. So I came across this:
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    Do this adapter really work if I plug a SATA 1 or SATA 2 SSD drive emulating it IDE? Can I rely on this for lossless and stable I/O data transfer without any integrity failure? My last chance is that. So I also would like to know if I can boot from the SATA drive physically connected to that adapter?

    Hope your experiences solve the myth.

    Beat regards,

    Onur
     
  2. t456

    t456 1977-09-05, 12:56:00 UTC Moderator

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    Yes, it will do fine. There's little difference in the data itself, it's just just the way it is transmitted that separates the two; single bits at once over multiple pins (parallel ata) or multiple bits sequentially over the same pin (serial ata). That's why the adapter is so small; it has very little to do except splitting/merging a bunch of bits.

    Not all laptops will be able to fit that adapter though; it has an offset in height from one connector to the other, so the SATA drive will probably end up sticking out quite a bit and you'd have to dremel a hole in the bottom cover. Conversely, an IDE->mSATA adapter will always fit flush in any system, but then you'd need to source an mSATA drive. The ~100GB models are pretty cheap, so you could settle for a drive with less capacity instead.
     
  3. kimiraikkonen

    kimiraikkonen Notebook Evangelist

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    Hi friend. Thanks for your brief reply. Yeah fitting will be the main problem as there is at least 1 cm missing room through the outer edge and dremelling is quite tough process and requires qualified cutting equipment plus sensitive workmanship. Worse, if I decide to use a 44 pin (actually 43 pin you know) IDE extension cable to move the SSD out of the bay to use it outside, there is no guarantee that the extension ribbon cable would work flawless with IDE-To-SATA adapter mentioned and pictured above in my first post :(


    The other problem with your suggestion as option, if I follow your wise advise and get an IDE-To-MSATA adapter, it would fit with no hassle using a mSATA drive for sure. It is OK. But this leads another problem based on my research. As you know traditional 2.5 IDE ports require 5V to operate whereas mSATA SSD drives need 3.3v voltage. That means the board must have a voltage regulator that strips 5v down to 3.3v and it has it in the picture below. And what i read is, the regulator gets very hot during intensive operation and has a great potential of damaging the SSD which is sticked / screwed on top of the regulator when assembled due to overheating within the long term usage. :(

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    Also I see many adapters still using JMicron JM20330 chip which is really outdated and has limited capability/performance with recent SSDs, there seem to be newer JMD330 and JMH330 variants but I couldn't see adapters shipped with these :(

    So many concerns and issues replacing a dead IDE laptop drive here and I am quite lost and upset because of not finding a stable and guaranteed solution.

    I am waiting more comments, I appreciate.

    Btw, my laptop is Acer Aspire 3000.

    Many thanks for reading as well as comments.

    Best regards.
     
  4. t456

    t456 1977-09-05, 12:56:00 UTC Moderator

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    You won't get the SSD's full throughput anyway; parallel ATA is limited to or 100 or 133MB/s (depending on the system), so that's roughly what these adapters will deliver. It will still benefit from much lower latencies, so there'd still be a performance improvement.

    If you're worried about heat from the onboard buck converter you could choose a full-sized adapter instead:
    If you get a new system at one time or another then you could recycle the mSATA either directly (if it has a slot), use a single SATA adapter or use two adapters and get a very fast external drive instead (at ~500 MB/s):
     
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    I would have a look on EBay. In a brief search, I found both refurbished and new drives. I would think one of these would provide a solution. You might consider buying more than one, in case you decide to keep the laptop "forever" :)
    Best,
    Joe
     
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    Hey! Thanks for the tip about the mSATA board which seems more convenient solution in perspective of heat dissipation. Though it uses same controller chip, it is OK. But why do they call this board as 50 pin? There are exactly 43 pin + 4 jumper pins at total 47 pins, as can also be seen from images?
     
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    t456 1977-09-05, 12:56:00 UTC Moderator

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    Because the IDE connector itself is 50 pins (two rows of 25 each), even if three of them aren't populated. It's the same with panels; they can be designated 30, 40 or 50-pin, but none of the panels and stock cables have all of those pins in actual use.
     
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    kimiraikkonen Notebook Evangelist

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    Mate, hi again. Sorry for the late reply. I just ended with an idea if I cannot find an health IDE 2.5 drive in near future. I found out that 120 GB SSD drives have board circuit size almost less than half when compared to a traditional and bigger (240 GB+) full circuit sized 2.5 drives even its case is fitted to 2.5 at factory. When you tear down a SSD with 120 GB, you see there is plenty of empty space in case. So I could remove and rip off the circuit from the case and could connect it using JMicron IDE to SATA adapter without dremelling anything if height would not be an issue for bay cover.

    Can I make this way to overcome this situation?

    I mean:

    Using this:

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    WITH this one without stock case:
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    It will work in most cases unless you have a weird setup like the thinkpad t43 did, which it used a SATA to PATA onboard signal converter that screws up when using a SATA to PATA adapter
     
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