BLACK LIST. Adjustable voltage control/turbo ratio limits are locked out due latest Win Update/Bios

Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Papusan, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Yeah, you're right. Further debate is pointless. And, the laptops affect were already compromised garbage prior to this, so nothing has really change other than their pre-existing defects are merely amplified and more glaring than before. I feel bad for the suckers that wasted their money on something that was broken before it was boxed at the factory, and for the people that applied firmware updates in the vacuum based on the foolhardy notion that newer automatically means better. Even seemingly intelligent people make that mistake sometimes. They genuinely deserve our sympathy and condolences for their misfortune is in order.
     
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  2. BrightSmith

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    Basically our Clevos remain untouched, for now? Phew.
     
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    custom90gt Doc Mod Super Moderator

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    Looks like MS updates are getting rid of the undervolt on the Gigabyte Aer 15 XA Classic with an INTEL microcode update (yes from Intel).
     
  4. Lakshya

    Lakshya Notebook Consultant

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    Umar has finally replied to my tweet regarding undervolting issues. Here is the link. Surprisingly, he's still unaware of it, even though countless forums mentioned it. But now that his team is looking into it, I hope he'll take care of all this, sooner or later.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/aw_umar/status/1276541407801606146
     
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  5. XMG

    XMG Company Representative

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    Don't rejoice too soon yet. Here are the latest updates that are supposed to be rolled out this month.

    P9xxED/EF/EN and P9xRD/RF/RN
    BIOS 1.07.15
    Microcode Update to 0xC6

    NB70TH
    BIOS 1.07.09
    Microcode Update to 0xCA

    P7xxTMx-(G)
    BIOS 1.07.29
    Microcode Update to 0xCA

    I don't know if those updates have anything to do Undervolting; I don't have more detailed changelogs.
    It will take a few weeks before we start testing these update on P9xx and P7xx series (We don't carry NB70TH).


    Info about Microcode Update via Windows Update

    The main reason why you have been relatively safe from getting automatic Microcode updates via Windows Update is a lack on WU CHID management in this ODM/LOEM Whitelabel eco-system.
    Microsoft can only target drivers and firmware updates on your system if it has permission from the system vendor. Your system can only be identified if certain SMBIOS DMI strings are known.

    CHID = Computer Hardware ID

    Example:
    {22c8188f-30b7-559b-afd2-b77ca7b21d1c} <- Manufacturer + Baseboard Manufacturer + Baseboard Product

    The "Manufacturer" string is the one that is read as "System Manufacturer" in HWiNFO64.
    Microsoft's CHID management does not allow any CHID idendities that does not include this string.

    Consequently, if you have a custom Manufacturer string on your system (from your seller) and if this string has *not* been submitted to the ODM or to Microsoft for WU CHID management, Microsoft won't be able to target your system with platform-dependent drivers and firmware through Windows Update.

    At least, this is according to my only moderately well-informed understanding. Exceptions might apply.

    By the way, those strings can be easily overwritten by end-users with recent Clevo system with Insyde BIOS if you have access to the EFI Tool called "H2OSDE-Sx64.efi". Typical parameters are:
    -SM = System Manufacturer
    -SP = System Product
    -BM = Baseboard Manufacturer
    -SS = System Serial Number
    -CA = Chassis Asset Tag

    Code Example:
    H2OSDE-Sx64.efi -SM "Example Company" -SP "Example Product" -SS 123456789

    Tools for other BIOS platforms exist with different names but similar structure.
    But beware, some of the strings can be overwritten again by future BIOS updates, depending on system vendor and model. In such cases, you would need to run the DMI Edit Tool again after the BIOS update to customize your strings.


    Undervolting Overview across 2019 and 2020 models

    For more information on our Undervolting efforts, check out this thread in our sub-reddit:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/h0wuoh/cpu_undervolting_in_bios_setup_for_xmg_and/

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
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  6. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Thank you sir. Could you also provide same info in my other thread? Thanks

    BLACK LIST 2. Adjustable voltage control/turbo ratio limits locked out - Affected 10th gen notebooks
     
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    Talon Notebook Virtuoso

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  8. Mr. Fox

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    Nice to see NoteboookCheck acknowledging Eluktronics, XMG and Maingear for doing the right thing, as well as indirectly calling out the lame OEMs selling competing products that are broken.

    This also supports my previous comments that the decision to ruin laptops rests in the hands of the OEMs, and it is not Intel telling them they are required to sell screwed up trash with the ability to undervolt removed. That mistake is up to the discretion of the people selling them.
     
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  9. custom90gt

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    Intel is the ODM for these laptops, it was Intel who disabled the undervolting initially and then re-enabled it... It's not XMG or Eluktronics, etc... Perhaps intel listened to them though.
     
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    It's obvious that Intel cares about it enough to not put their name behind broken garbage. It also remains clear to me that the decision to sell broken trash with undervolting abilities disabled rests on the shoulders of the OEM and it's their call whether or not to sell broken trash. What is being said here supports what I have been saying all along.

    "While multiple OEMs have disabled undervolting on new and existing machines..."

    "Overall, it is encouraging to see that Intel has enabled undervolting with one of its white-label laptops. With that said, it still does not change the fact that OEMs are either removing the functionality from older machines. Additionally, most OEMs have disabled undervolting on laptops released with 10th Gen Core processors after the publication of the Plundervolt exploit."

    At any rate, people have the opportunity to vote with their wallets and choose to purchase a product made by a company that actually cares about what they sell and the people that buy what they sell.
     
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