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Bios level Password M11x R3

Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by Goombaypunch, May 3, 2011.

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  1. Goombaypunch

    Goombaypunch Notebook Consultant

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    This question is for owners of the M11X R3. Anyone else noticed that you cannot set a bios level password to prevent unauthorized booting into windows? The windows password is USELESS and can be bypassed in minutes. You can set a supervisor password and a user password but they only prevent access to the bios and both allow windows to start right up. Am I missing something?

    no one else have this problem? I'm hoping this is something that can be addressed in a bios update :(
     
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    Consumer laptop, they probably don't think it is a big issue.
     
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    I did not know the windows password could be bypassed that easily. But I do not think a BIOS password would be 100% safe. You can always put the drive in another computer.. if it is not encrypted that is. I don't see a point in using a BIOS password then..
     
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    I suppose it depends on what you are trying to prevent. But I agree if you want to protect your data encryption is the way to go.
     
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    yes encryption is best for protecting the hard drive but if you just want to prevent unauthorized access to your computer a bios password is great I already encrypt any sensitive data using truecrypt. The main point here is that a supervisor password is normally to prevent booting or entering the bios without the password and it is not working at all for booting just for entering the bios.

    Oh and a windows password can be circumvented with a small program booted from a thumbstick in less than a minute. and the worst part is that you would never know it was done as it does not change or erase the password. For instance a key logger can than be installed and the data sent remotely or collected through the same bypass at a later date.


    So, its the same situation for everyone then? no password protected bios
    boot?
     
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    i can crack a bios in a matter of minutes. all you need to know is how to re-flash the bios, and have the proper hardware and software to do it.
     
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    You just need to remove the motherboard battery to reset the bios password.
     
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    the CMOS battery? no. its in the memory, removing the battery isnt going to clear the memory, it will just reset the local bios settings, not reset the password.
     
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    Oh it worked on older computer, I thought it still working.
     
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    well the bios password is MUCH harder to crack but crackable. And as you mentioned there is hardware required as well as software. Windows password just needs a thumb Stick, CD or DVD lol.

    So anyone else try to actually use the bios password option and see if its working properly for you?
     
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    Don't newer computers, even notebooks, still come with the jumper switch to reset the bios password?
    And I thought you needed third party software to have a pre-boot password, such as Symantec Endpoint Encryption.
     
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    i didnt see a jumper anywhere when i had my m11x's motherboard out.
     
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    most new ones do not have the jumpers. From the pictures I have seen the m11x definitely does not unless they made some big changes to the R3.
     
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    User password is supposed to do what you want according to the manual, but I can confirm it does not ask for the password on boot when the user password is set.
     
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    Thanks so much for testing! I hope they fix this in a bios update. I am loving this little machine and bios passwords and virtual machines are my only issues so far but not enough for me to return it.
     
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