BGA Venting Thread ;)

Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by FredSRichardson, Nov 29, 2016.

  1. Blacky

    Blacky Notebook Prophet

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    That's the whole business model on which this whole BGA crap is based on. If it wasn't for AMD, I am sure that eventually, desktop boards would have ended up getting sold with soldered CPUs.
     
  2. GrandesBollas

    GrandesBollas Notebook Evangelist

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    Let's not forget the high upfront cost of buying a DTR laptop. BGA laptops are meant to be used and tossed away. Pick a cost range that you feel is sustainable and go for it. 3-4 years with a $1k laptop is consistent with 3-4 years with a $1k smartphone.
     
  3. Vasudev

    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Yeah more or less we might end up with pay as go cloud based offering just for web browsing or even desktop with soldered components for 5000$.
     
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    I remember Intel thinking out loud a while back, posting something about selling motherboards with soldered desktop CPUs. That pissed a lot of people off so they immediately went back and said something along the lines of "Haha we were just kidding. We're not going to actually do this!".

    They probably wanted to see how many people would react. Planned obsolecence is extrememly wasteful. Businesses need to find something that gives a good balance of profitability and durability in their products if they want to make more money. Making lots of money is great, but being too greedy screws everyone over, including themselves.

    Resources are finite. If you keep making products at a faster rate than those resources can be replenished, you'll eventually have nothing left to sell.
     
  5. Blacky

    Blacky Notebook Prophet

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    Is not that businesses are greedy, it's how the corporate system works. As a CEO you are appointed by a board that demands of you to increase revenue and profits for them. It's your job to find a way to do it. If you don't, they will toss you out and find someone else who will. If you give them some speech about the environment and bla bla, they won't care, most people on those boards are bonused based on how well the company benefits to whoever appointed them there, while the guy who appointed him/her there is driving his yacht through the Bahamas or playing golf with his buddies.

    As you can imagine, at some point, you can't simply increase profits and revenue without compromising what you are giving to your customers. See Youtube and their terrible ads or any other company which at some point made great products for a decent profit but then it slowly declined in quality and started to make stuff which no longer benefited its customers but only the members of the board and wall street. However, without any real alternative, the customers are forced to use/buy their products and any new company which could challenge them would face a massive market entry barrier in terms of R&D costs, market recognition and patents.

    In my view we only have two options:
    1. Buy from lesser-known brands which are more environmentally friendly. Their products will be more expensive, maybe even inferior to those of the market leaders, but hey, we save the planet.
    2. Government regulations.
     
  6. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Mind you... we do not have to approve, like, or agree with any of this. I suspect many of us absolutely do not. I know I don't. If we don't want to drink the BGA wee-wee Kool-Aid, voting no with your wallet and encouraging others to do the same is a very honorable approach to undermine the system. After a while, a dripping faucet begins to erode the sink and in the meanwhile, it is as annoying as hell. That's the purpose of this thread. Even the losers in a war have their heroes and the soldiers that are engaged get to experience the satisfaction of causing casualties, pain, suffering, and grief for their enemies in some measure. At the very least, the resistance identifies itself as a vicious group of troublemakers on a mission to inflict damage on their enemies anywhere they can.
     
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  7. Papusan

    Papusan TURDBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Hey, they offer ram slots and wifi slots. You can't get that if you jump on Dell's new "high-end" gamingbooks. And if the MB burn up right after warranty have expired, they can probably sell you one. Dell don't offer parts for sale after your lovely Jokebook have went up in flames, the battery have popped up your palmrest or the fans have stopped work after spinning 100% to keep Cpu temp at 100C. They'll try force you to buy new junk!
    https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware/17-R4-Fan-Replacement/td-p/7836748
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    They probably need all the spare parts themself to fulfill all the warranty repairs when the premium extended warranty period start to run.
     
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    Dell packing a savage punch - first roasting the mobo and possibly the GPU and then refusing to sell replacements for those poor overworked fans. Alienware on a mission of epic customer alienation :D
     
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  9. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Now they just need to solder and encrypt the storage with no recovery port :p
     
  10. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Careful, they might be listening for new bad ideas.
     
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