BGA Venting Thread ;)

Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by FredSRichardson, Nov 29, 2016.

  1. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    With 320w for desktops and notebooks continue max out at 200w we will see even worse performance gap vs desktop than with Turing gen graphics. Back to old days with m branded graphics but with a second tier with even worse option (Max-Q). This is tomorrow’s reality. All those who hoped for more equal performance from notebooks vs desktops may finally see the paint on the wall!:D

    Push for even thinner notebook design and we will soon see half the TGP (150w) for Max-P vs true desktop cards. Dell Alienware is already there with their brand new m17 R3. Yeah, it’s weird people couldn’t see this mess would come before or later.

    Or is near 1/3 of rated desktop cards TGP for Max-Q tempting?:rolleyes:
     
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  2. Clamibot

    Clamibot Notebook Evangelist

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    This is really sad. I remember everyone being excited for the Pascal cards because it finally closed the performance gap between laptops and desktops.

    Sigh, now they want to reopen the gap. What happened to progress? This is a regression!
     
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    etern4l Notebook Virtuoso

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    It is what it is. There is no such thing as a true desktop replacement. There are more or less powerful laptops. The question is: bearing in mind diminishing returns on excess power, will the new laptop chips be capable enough to take care of broadly understood business for the majority of their owners. Most likely so.
     
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  4. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Again this depends on the voltage curve. The 8nm chips could be quite efficient when not going in full.
     
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  5. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Yeah, and we know there is enough Voltage to run well above 200w for last years 2080 Max-P. But the cards is capped at 200w and 2100 on the core. The performance gap between desktop cards vs those in notebooks will continue grow with Ampere. 200 vs 215/225 will now be 200 vs. 320 or 60% crippled
     
  6. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    In pure power terms maybe but you can't just add 60% on in a single generation for power. You would be looking at something the size of the P570Wm for what is in real terms not that much of a jump in performance remembering and I think especially for these chips you get massively diminishing returns as you start reaching those desktop clocks.

    There are rumours that the card will happily eat over 400W.
     
  7. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    The old P870 could eat 400w power. What we now see is degraded downward performance vs. previous years notebooks (graphics performance). 980 Mobile was on par with 980 desktop cards. As I said... Once again can wee see M branded cards come back in Max-P and Max-Q design. See, double up now and one stap back. Not a real desktop replacement on par with desktop performance people hoped for. This is the real facts bro Meaker.

    And I'm sure bro @fox is with me on this. We saw the direction come when Nvidia started with Max-Q. Now can wee also see Max-P following the same paths.
     
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  8. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    I think it is a typo and Max-P/Q was meant to be Lax-P/Q. It would be more accurate. Being charged more money for less shouldn't be viewed favorably by anyone, but it is absolutely the direction things are going. The race to find the bottom is accelerating. It will be interesting to watch to see how much more tech garbage consumers are going to be willing to put up with. If it didn't adversely affect everyone it would be humorous to behold the stupidity. The fact that it does affect everyone is tragic. I am unable to identify anything (no, not even one thing) about notebook computing today that is compelling or exciting. Nobody sells a product that I would feel any level of happiness or excitement about purchasing for myself and that is extraordinarily tragic... and unprecedented.

    Lax Synonyms: Adjective
    • careless
    • derelict,
    • disregardful,
    • lazy,
    • neglectful,
    • neglecting,
    • negligent,
    • remiss,
    • slack
     
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  9. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    400W because you had SLI as a reason.

    A larger machine needs a proper reason to exist, I've covered this before. Just ramping up clocks for rapidly diminishing gains is not a good enough reason to dissipate more.
     
  10. senso

    senso Notebook Deity

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    Trading for example 40-50W to gain 100Mhz is not a wise move unless the sole reason is to post print screens to hwbot..
     
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