Been antivirus free for a little while now

Discussion in 'Security and Anti-Virus Software' started by Hungry Man, Mar 17, 2011.

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  1. Hungry Man

    Hungry Man Notebook Virtuoso

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    Uh, having an antivirus and not getting a virus does not prove that antiviruses are effective.

    If I pray for good health and I don't get cancer prayer is not considered a medical procedure.

    Anyway, perhaps we're talking about two different things. My point is that if I can't detect any viruses/malware after running my programs then I'm going to be convinced that running an antivirus is (for me) a waste of RAM.

    Luckily I have lots of RAM to spare so I'll probably end up installing it anyway. But I'm curious to see if it's actually useful in any way.
     
  2. Sirhcz0r

    Sirhcz0r Notebook Deity

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    That's not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying run it, and if it detects something, you did need it, and if it doesn't detect anything, you wouldn't have needed it.

    Lithus was right, this is going in circles. :eek:
     
  3. Hungry Man

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    Lithus is arguing something completely separate. You're saying that if I run MSE and I detect something then I've proved that I needed MSE all along. You're right. And if I don't pick anything up then I wouldn't have needed it...

    we agree...
     
  4. Lithus

    Lithus NBR Janitor

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    LOL. For clairity's sake, I want to say that I'm not actually arguing anything anymore.

    Just for reference, we're at:

    S: AV is useful.
    HM: Yes.

    The next step is:

    S: Then use AV.
    HM: No.
     
  5. Hungry Man

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    That's because people are trying to get me to use an AV and tell me how important they are when I already know. The point I'm trying to prove is that they aren't as important as other people think and that with even the minimal efforts I've made I've stayed safe without one (barring super kernel rootkits that are apparently undetectable by any program ever)

    edit: I ran the following AV's with no results. I updated first.
    drwebmd
    gmer (services, registry)
    hijackthis (nothing out of the ordinary)
    superantispyware
    windows malicious software removal tool

    None of those came up with anything. I looked over the hijackthis log and had some people look over it as well.
     
  6. Hungry Man

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    I went ahead and disabled javascript globally for Chrome. I figured it's another lossless defense that could speed up some pages.
     
  7. KernalPanic

    KernalPanic White Knight

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    I have a question for you... do you know how malware works?

    The whole point of this generation of malware is not to eat ram or destroy one machine.

    It's to enslave your machine permanently.

    The authors want your processing time, your storage, and if you are foolish enough, whatever info you will give them.

    Today's malware is begins with a program which opens a backdoor through your security and allows an outside person to control your computer or at least download and execute additional programs.

    These additional programs are usually a suite of tools and other malware which give the author more functionality. (one of which is usually a key-logger which gathers keystrokes and thus accounts, passwords, etc.)

    The BEST malware is nigh undetectable and even does the majority of its more noticeable use of your resources when you are least likely to notice.


    Let's say you don't ever put personal financial info on your computer... let's say you never do anything work related on your computer... let's say your computer is a blank slate and all you do is play games on it.

    Even under the above assumptions, your computer (when connected to the Internet) is still a working resource which can do the following:
    -Send a flood of broken packets to specific places... when combined with other computers, this tactic can paralyze entire portions of networks and even hurt performance on well-defended networks.
    -Host large quantities of illegal pictures and media.
    -Work with other computers to distribute large quantities of spam.
    -Host redirected web sites which distribute trojans to

    The above is just for starters... you'd be surprised what 1000 computers can accomplish together...

    Without active scanning, you might as well grab the malware and install it as sooner or later you will hit a website your other defenses cannot detect or defend against and install something.

    Active scanning is the background "catch-all" that usually searches for "virus-like" behavior while its happening. You can count on most new malware bypassing some or even most defenses. Without this, you are relying on something "matching" a pattern... which at one point ALL reasonably decent malware does not.

    FYI, the community I am speaking of is wider than this site... its the whole Internet and everything connected to it.

    In which without active protection you are basically flying blind.

    You are essentially driving while not watching the road like the multitude of people texting/jawing/tweeting/facebooking/etc on their cell phone while they risk themselves and everyone else on the road and sidewalks.

    While today you didn't hit anything or hurt anyone, it doesn't mean tomorrow you wont.

    Worst problem is... you probably won't know when you do.

    If you are connected to the Internet and aren't at least moderately paranoid, you are undereducated. It's that simple.
     
  8. Pirx

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    Nonsense. You're paranoid, that's all.
     
  9. Hungry Man

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    I realize pirx may be saying that sarcastically but I have to agree. I do know how malware works and I do know what you're saying. I'm not flying blind and if you think that just being connected to the internet puts you at a serious risk of being infected I don't think there's much convincing to be done.
     
  10. ikovac

    ikovac Cooler and faster... NBR Reviewer

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    I understand Hungry Man. I would just use something like KillSwitch from Comodo security essentials to check if everything is really ok from time to time.
     
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