Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC / G702ZC / S7ZC with Ryzen 7 1700 8-core CPU and a Radeon RX580 GPU

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  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    And, the lower power - power savings - features in the new x470 + Zen+ + PowerBoost 2 are what I was pointing out for the next version of the GL702ZC.

    Which, if Asus holds true to form the new model with x470 + Zen+ + PowerBoost 2, and hopefully a form of Vega 56 will be out in April along side the new AMD Ryzen releases.
     
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    You can most likely forget about granular control of frequencies manually if Asus has anything to say about it... because they will likely lock the BIOS in that upgrade (if they make one to begin with) too.
    PowerBoost 2 is I think already part of Zen+ architecture (the CPU itself)... doesn't have much to do with the mobo... though the existing motherboards would require a bios update to recognize and use new CPU's properly.

    Lower power draw will certainly be good... but that's not going to help us at all if Asus buzzes out on the cooling again in the new unit.

    What I'd like to see is upgraded BIOS for existing GL702ZC, so I can just slap a Zen+ inside... that way, I'd get most of the benefits (including power saving ones) anyway... and it's possible Asus might just end up doing this as opposed to re-designing the entire system with a new motherboard.

    It's probably easier/cheaper for them to just upgrade the bios, slap in the Zen+ with same amount of cores/threads, lower power draw and sell it as brand new than to re-design a motherboard around the new chipset (and of course make the same mistakes by placing the CPU and GPU too closely together) and put in too noisy fans, etc..

    Though, I wouldn't be surprised if they do make a new model with x470 mobo, Zen+, and make the same mistakes they did with this model. :D

    If the desktop Zen+ matches Intel in base clocks or even surpasses them (Which should be doable with 12nm LP)... I would imagine we can easily get a 15-20% base clock boosted Zen+ at a lower power draw for GL702ZC
     
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    Guys i used CRU to OC my monitor to 75hz 84 is max for me. I have a rx480 xfire desktop gpu and a 60hz freesync monitor. I was able to oc my desktop monitor to 75 hz and keep freesync enabled by playing with the freesync range. But when i tried to do the same thing to Gl702zc, i was able to oc to 75hz but loses freesync even set the range to 40-76. Anyone have this problem?
     
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    Are you guys thinking the gl702zc cpu can be upgraded to zen? Will amd release a bios to support it I wonder? Can you guys comment on fan noise/temps at idle, gaming, web browsing/media consumption, etc. I'm thinking this will be my next laptop unless you think I should be patient and wait for the zen 2nd gen stuff that should be coming out soon.
     
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    The GL702ZC already has a Zen CPU inside... Ryzen 1700.
    Are you referring to the Ryzen refresh, Ryzen 2 and Ryzen 3 by any chance?
    If so, Asus can certainly release a BIOS update to allow us to upgrade the CPU... but whether or not they do this is another matter and depends entirely on them.
    When I asked them about this, they completely ignored that question by never replying to me.
    It might also depend on adoption. I think they managed to sell a good chunk of GL702ZC's by now.. so if the adoption is good, Asus might indulge us with a BIOS update.
    Also, if they decide to upgrade the unit to include a Ryzen refresh at some point, we are likely to see a BIOS update in that case (as its' obviously easier and cheaper to just upgrade the BIOS and replace the CPU without re-designing the whole laptop).

    Fan noise is tolerable if you don't stress the GPU to the max... either way, I'd recommend wearing headphones which will muffle out the fan noise anyway.
    One of the ways to reduce fan noise would be to use Radeon Chill and limit the amount of FPS shown on screen. Depending on the game, the mileage will vary. 60 FPS is fine as a top limit because the panel is limited to 60Hz, so anything more than that would be wasted frames and produce higher termperatures needlessly.

    Mass Effect Andromeda for example never stressed my GPU to the max though... and I limited the game to 60 FPS at 1080p and High settings.

    Temps at idle vary... usually around 45 degrees C, and its similar for web browsing/media consumption, though the CPU temps rise occasionally to about 50 degrees C and over that if you are watching videos, depending on how much the hardware is stressed. Not a big deal at all.
    During gaming however, the CPU can reach about 75 degrees C approximately, and the GPU about 85 degrees C (if stressed to the max)... otherwise, the GPU will produce about 70-75 degrees C with moderate usage.

    If you think you should wait for the refresh of Zen (12nm) or Zen 2 (7nm), then yes, as by that time, more OEM's are likely to adopt Ryzen in mobile space and Vega will replace Polaris as a dGPU (probably also on 12nm LP). And the CPU is more likely to come with a Vega iGP too which should improve battery life.

    So, hardware and cooling implementation might simply be better on other OEM's laptops who adopt Ryzen and Polaris or Ryzen and Vega on 12nmLP.

    Its up to you though.
    You could send a technical inquiry to Asus HQ or trying to call them and inquire about the BIOS update.
    They released 2 BIOS updates since launching the GL702ZC initially. The last BIOS update (303) enabled virtualization.
     
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    probably a stupid question but as i have several dells, im v interested in the cpu in this, anyone know if its charger is compatible with dell laptops and vice versa?
     
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    Asus uploaded Sonic Suite 2 to their drivers portion of the website.
     
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    Be advised everyone:
    It looks as if updating the BIOS on GL702ZC breaks Asus ROG Gaming Center and makes it impossible to remove from the System via uninstal command.
    Similar thing happens with Ryzen Master if I'm not mistaken.

    In this instance, manual deletion with CCLeaner registry cleanup is recommended if you wish to install latest versions (not that Asus released the updated version of gaming centre - the one they placed on GL702ZC is archaic... from 2016... not even version from 2017 - I feel insulted).

    But if Asus expects us to have proper fan control of the laptop, we need unlocked BIOS or a Gaming Centre version that's up to date and actually works as intended - the fan slider as you already may know doesn't accelerate the fans to the % you set, it just increases or decreases them arbitrarily.
     
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    This is probably the most interesting laptop that's come out in the past year, for me. Been thinking of upgrading from Sandy Bridge to Zen, and this is the only model where I could do that in a laptop and consolidate to one machine.

    But... every single review comments on the noise, and having returned an R9 290X due to noise, I know that would probably significantly bother me. It's unfortunate that it isn't possible to undervolt.

    So in short, definitely following the laptop, and now that I found out Micro Center has them in stock, will probably check it out in person. But I doubt I'll buy until/unless they come out with a successor with a quieter fan profile. I don't even really care if it's a bit thicker or heavier - 6.6 pounds is as light as any laptop I've ever owned - but reasonable noise levels are essential.

    Also curious if the battery is replaceable. Obviously I wouldn't buy it for the battery life, but I'd like to keep it a long time if I buy it, and being able to use it unplugged, even for a short time, in 5 years would be nice. Even better if it's easy enough to swap without disassembly; then I could actually use it in a real-life mobile setting (like a coffee shop) if I buy a second battery right away, and not be tethered to a wall. Otherwise it would be a little difficult for it to truly replace my laptop, as well as my desktop.
     
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    On the topic of ROG gaming centre and Ryzen Master (for Threadripper) not wanting to be uninstalled after a BIOS upgrade:
    Running this program solved the problem for me:
    https://support.microsoft.com/sk-sk...lock-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed

    I think you need to select the option that say you have trouble installing a program... select the program that you're having issues with (such as ROG gaming centre and Ryzen Master) and once the program finishes, just run the respective installers/uninstallers yet again and it should work.

    Noise can be alleviated via using headphones (obviously)... though this is not the most suitable solution if you're using the GPU to the max in public (I don't, though that's because this laptop is too expensive to be using it casually in public - so I just take it to a friends place instead).

    Undervolting might become possible later on... though I have no high hopes for it.
    Another thing to keep in mind is Asus use of questionable thermal paste application and quality - which could be alleviated through re-pasting (using something like GeLid extreme), and this would obviously drop temperatures somewhat and possibly reduce fan noise.

    The battery seems to be non-removable.... Asus made it to be integrated (probably because they wanted the laptop to look thinner, so they gave us a poor capacity battery that's integrated).
    Actually, even though the battery is integrated, it should be possible to disconnect its cable from the motherboard - I hadn't done that yet, but I have discharged the battery completely prior to opening the machine and upgraded the RAM.
    It's a bit of a nuisance having to go through that as its a lot easier to just disconnect a removable battery instead and press+hold the power button afterwards for about 10 seconds to eliminate any extra charge.

    But I share your concerns about replacing the battery, especially if we want to keep the system for long periods of time (Which becomes more and more viable/doable if Asus decides to release an updated BIOS allowing us to upgrade to Ryzen+, Ryzen 2 and Ryzen 3).
    It should be possible to replace it eventually if Asus makes some spare parts, or the unit becomes more widespread in being purchased/used.

    What you could do is buy the laptop, see how you like it, test it out for a week or so, and then just return it before 2 weeks are up and get a refund (please check though with the store they have a return policy if you decide to do that though).

    Alternatively, waiting for a refresh model might also be recommended as Ryzen+ will be released soon.

    Even though I like the laptop as a whole, Asus made several design mistakes with it (bad cooling, small capacity/integrated battery, single channel RAM, run of the mill SSD and 1TB HDD 5400 RPM) while asking a relatively high price for it..

    As I said, the cooling can probably be improved through repasting (though this apparently voids the warranty), and raising the back of the laptop.
    The CPU is replaceable, so if ASUS releases a BIOS update, at least that will allow us to upgrade to better processors in the same/similar TDP range which might also have lower power consumption overall (and if AMD makes a powerful Ryzen 2 or 3 CPU with a Vega iGP on it, similar to 2600u APU, but obviously with the CPU and iGP side more powerful), then the battery life should increase nicely.

    Otherwise, you can upgrade the RAM, SSD, and HDD... so those bits are not as bad, but as I said, for the price we paid for the laptop, Asus could have put more quality hardware inside.
     
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