Asus ROG GL702ZC owners lounge

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  1. Deks

    Deks Notebook Virtuoso

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    Actually, the RX 580 in this laptop is mainly underclocked.... with lower voltages being a standard of sorts at existing frequencies... plus the chip is limited to only 3 P states (desktop ones have 6 or 7 of them with different voltages for each frequency).
    OEM's almost never touch the voltages on GPU's... they usually modify the clocks... so I suspect that Asus modified the RX 580 desktop video bios that it uses only 3 P states and voltages for those frequencies.
    The chip can usually be further undervolted (as you already know).

    Unlocking it to a full blown desktop part is probably possible through vBIOS modification and flashing... however, it would need to be heavily undervolted due to the inadequate cooling in GL702ZC and VRM's limitations.
    I suspect that we could still unlock the GPU to the desktop part, but lower the frequencies to the point where they are fairly close to the desktop, but voltages allow it to go lower.
    I wouldn't recommend it though. The GPU is limited to 68W as is. The existing cooling is barely coping with that... nevermind the VRM's.

    The performance of RX 580 in GL702ZC should be more or less within 5% of mobile GTX 1060 limited to 80W.... or it would be equal/better under DX12/Vulkan.
    That's in real world performance (such as actual games, etc.).
    Bear in mind that benchmarks aren't always representative of actual gaming performance.
    I suggest you run a few games on GL702ZC and on your GTX 1060 laptop and compare the performance between the two with latest drivers.
     
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    tkalfaoglu Notebook Enthusiast

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    I do some mining with our laptop and if I can keep it cool, i achieve a performance similar to my desktop rx 580's.

    Sent from my MHA-L29 using Tapatalk
     
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    Caretaker01 Notebook Guru

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    Play around with MSI afterburner latest or beta version and you may achieve some lower temperatures, by undervolting
    Sent from my MI 5s Plus using Tapatalk
     
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    mhdvt Notebook Enthusiast

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    Windows 7 works fine. I created my install media via MSI smart tool. No issues with booting, or in operation after install.

    I can't comment for Windows, but I'm in the progress of getting OpenCL/ROCM working on Linux, will let you know how performance measures up.
     
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    For anyone who ordered this thing stock, how are the temperatures out of the box? Is it something that desperately needs re-pasted, or would an undervolt with standard paste be OK?
     
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    Standard paste seems to work fine.
    Repasting apparently doesn't bring too low temps... maybe in the area of 3 degrees... possibly 5 deg C at most.

    I'd sooner recommend undervolting both the CPU and GPU and only repaste after the warranty expired and the temps are rising.

    Out of the box, temps are actually fine... about 43-46 deg C for CPU and GPU in standard Windows operations.
    Under stress, it depends... can be up to 88 degrees C for the GPU on full, and similar for the CPU.
    If you undervolt, you can drop temps by quite a bit... up to 10 degrees C for CPU and GPU independently.
     
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    terexo Notebook Enthusiast

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    So for now I'd say I'm happy with my new laptop. Installed another 8gb stick and now it's 16gb dual mode 2400.
    It's was a little tricky with drivers for chipset and gpu but I did it. Still no Win7 for now, but I'll try another solutions)) Win 10 is ok.
    FreeSync is enabled, Ryzen Balanced installed manually. Mixed oem drivers from Asus website and newest drivers from manufacturers.
    Latest chipset drivers don't even want to start installing (some bug from AMD as I understand) so I manually installed OEM Asus drivers through the device manager and then installed gpu drivers etc.
    Personal advice - if you're using Win10 LTSB 2016 - install recommended drivers (18.2.1 in my case), not latest. Latest drivers works badly with this OS build (for ex. in two monitors mode).
    About temperatures. In short - I'm using ryzen balanced (don't understand exactly what's the point but just in case) with some personal settings.
    CPU min 90%, Max 100% (maybe it's good to set 99% but I don't), AMD Powerplay: max perf.
    In regular browsing, copying files, work with archives (casual, not stressing), music, videos; with torrents, vpn and messengers in the background my temps are:
    CPU ~60c; GPU ~55c (is it Ok?)
    With some more hard work (big archives, photo editing etc) it's about ~70c +-5. GPU ~same as casual

    So here's my personal pros and cons for this laptop.

    CONS:
    - Overall build quality could be better BUT it's Ok. I mean my old mid-ranger laptop (10 year old) was like a tank. But I think all new laptops goes with the same "cheap-like" quality. Maybe Alienwares is Ok but I don't use it.
    - Keyboard. But it's personal. My old laptop have keyboard like on Alienwares, also with more pushing depth.
    - No ODD. No slot for third HDD/M.2. They could do it. But they don't. For a workstation it's not good (yes it's a "gaming laptop").
    - HDD is warming a little bit higher that I prefer. On my old laptop it was 35-38 max. here is 43-45.

    PROS:
    - Working power. Great CPU (even my 1600) with a very good GPU (all what I tested run's 60fps on max). But I'm not a hardcore gamer. It's a mini PC build, not a laptop I'd say. Workstation if you want.
    - 17' IPS display with FreeSync - really nice bonus. Yes it's 6 bit with a drawn 16m colors but it's really great. At home usually I'm using ext. monitor.
    - Easy to change thermal grease (as I seen) and cleaning all that stuff if needed (in future)
    - Sound is REALLY great. I mean I did not expect so good sound, bass etc (even without SonicStudio). Great little speakers!
    - Has all needed i/o - USB's, Type-C, DP, HDMI, CardReader
    - I like cooling system. It's doing it's job. Yes it's noisy some times (in stress work and games) but it's better then burned components (I know that).
    - You can play games between browsing and serious work : )
    - Price. It's strange but price for the power is great. +- same desktop build is about ~$200 less in my region.

    Some questions:
    - what temperatures is ok? I can achive 43-46 only with 30% fan boost or even 50%. 25c outside (streets).
    - can you please one more time advice presets for undervolt cpu (ryzen master) and gpu (afterburner)? And do I need it?
    - maybe some advice for soft power configuration?
     
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    Hello everyone,
    I bought GL702ZC R7 1700 version on March and I was really surprised its power (both cpu and gpu).
    On my previous notebook there was i7 3630qm+GT650M.

    Unfortunately yesterday notebook just died...
    100% fan power, no manual fan control... seems familiar?

    I just read couple topics, check cooling solution pics on internet and I have bad news my dear friends.

    It looks like Asus made hudge mistake in cooling solution design... they forgot to cool B350 :). This plate-thing-cooler on early models isn't anough to cool it down.
    They made new thermal solution with heat-pipe to GPU radiator.
    I'm talking about this type where there are no heat-pipes above RAM slots.
    I checked over a dozen desktop atx boards witch B350 and there is large passive radiator on every single one of them! Not flat metal plate!

    Unfortunatelly fan bug is only beggining of problems - i tried bios/uefi factory reset, windows restart, i've tried new ubuntu too.
    After 1 hour i decided to plug off "brick" and give it some time.
    After couple hours - fans are still at max, but.... there is nothing on LCD :).

    I made RMA, they probably replace the board...
    Now i'm wondering if they replace cooler too.
    I don't want and don't have time to play around with service center any more.
    Do you guys can tell me about yours repairs? Is it working after repair and do they replace cooling system?

    For me it is really strange that this happend when I was reading PDF datasheets, and had only libreoffice calc and some CAD software open... no load cpu and gpu, fans were quiet.

    So, wish me luck with repair, and i wish you guys the same!
    It WILL happen to most of you!
    Just make sure it will happen on warranty peroid!

    P.S.
    By the way now i'm forced to use my wife's Ryzen 5 2500U on Envy x360 and it's working great! Just because it IS WORKING! ;)
     
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  10. Deks

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    Your problem sounds identical to what I had.
    I was playing Mass Effect Andromeda, when suddenly, fans started blowing at 100% and refused to cycle down after powering down the game.
    I shut off the laptop, and the moment I turned it on, fans just went straight to 100% and didn't cycle down.
    My GPU was functioning though...

    I had to RMA the laptop. Waited about a month before getting it back, and Asus said they replaced the motherboard, but couldn't say what caused the problem.
    I told them that the problem is likely rooted in the inadequate cooling which might have caused a control circuit which regulates the fans to break down, or worse yet, the VRM's (voltage regulators on the motherboard).

    Anyway, since I got the laptop back, I usually keep the thing undervolted on both the CPU and GPU when doing things on it that stress the hardware, such as playing games or using 3d Studio Max.

    Asus really dropped the ball on cooling, and makes me wonder if the same problem will occur again down the line.
     
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