ASUS GL702VM - overheating issues - safe to buy?

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  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    How is tearing apart your laptop a better option than adjusting the CPU voltage down to minimum required? :)

    Most laptops with thermal throttling can undervolt out of that situation, which is safe, and has no negative affect on performance.

    You can re-paste to reduce temps further, but if it's not necessary to keep from thermal throttling it's a wasted effort - not required for full performance of the laptop.

    The negatives of re-pasting include the rut you enter to keep trying to perfect your re-pasting time and time again, eventually finding you've done nothing to improve performance, which spurs people on to chase that last degree or two of temperature reduction.

    Re-pasting is a huge waste of time, and endangers the laptop as you have it pulled apart. There are lots of "accidents" that could have been avoided by not having opened the laptop in the first place.

    Undervolting on the other hand is a clean and safe method of temperature reduction, usually more than enough reduction at load temperature to avoid re-pasting.

    If you are gung-ho for re-pasting, you'll undervolt too, otherwise you'll miss out on up to 10c of free temperature drop at load. :)
     
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  2. Danishblunt

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    Depends on the undervolt, if u go to far the system will crash, not a biggie, just nitpicking ;3

    I honestly don't know how repasting endangers the notebook. I mean most gaming notebooks are easy to access, and unless you work with liquid metal, you won't really damage anything, unless you are REALLY clumsy. I'd go for both really, getting some kryonaut and then put some on can greatly help as well, but I do agree that people who feel really uneasy and don't like to open their notebook shouldn't be doing it. I know a guy who had to repaste and idk how on earth he managed to put conductive thermal compound into the mainboard. Those people do exist.
     
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    Wow. Just read what I wrote again. You are correct.

    That being said, I am a hardware guy. I'm much more comfortable repasting than undervolting.

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  4. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Yup, me too, it's hard to resist pulling everything apart, but after many years of doing just that professionally, I'll take an available software fix over a hardware fix every time :)
     
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  5. sicily428

    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    what are you talking about? :D:D
    Laws of thermodynamics are still valid, so a thin and light gaming laptop with a standard gtx1070/1080 is not possible without thermal issues IMO :newpalm:

    some bga cpu/bga gpu "gaming" laptops are not so thin and light :D

    15" BGA

    Alienware 15 R3 -------->height x width x depth (in mm): 25 x 389 x 305 ( = 0.98 x 15.31 x 12.01 in), 3.548 kg ( = 125.15 oz / 7.82 pounds)

    Acer Predator 15 ------->height x width x depth (in mm): 39 x 391 x 300 ( = 1.54 x 15.39 x 11.81 in), 3.72 kg ( = 131.22 oz / 8.2 pounds)

    15" LGA

    Msi 16L13------->
    height x width x depth (in mm): 39.8 x 390 x 266 ( = 1.57 x 15.35 x 10.47 in), 3.105 kg ( = 109.53 oz / 6.85 pounds)

    Clevo p750dm2-g------>
    height x width x depth (in mm): 38 x 386 x 262 ( = 1.5 x 15.2 x 10.31 in), 3.626 kg ( = 127.9 oz / 7.99 pounds)




    17" BGA

    Alienware 17 R4-----------> height x width x depth (in mm): 29.9 x 424 x 332 ( = 1.18 x 16.69 x 13.07 in), 4.42 kg ( = 155.91 oz / 9.74 pounds)

    Acer predator 17---------> height x width x depth (in mm): 40 x 423 x 322 ( = 1.57 x 16.65 x 12.68 in), 4.23 kg ( = 149.21 oz / 9.33 pounds)

    Acer Predator 17 X----->
    height x width x depth (in mm): 45 x 423 x 322 ( = 1.77 x 16.65 x 12.68 in), 4.346 kg ( = 153.3 oz / 9.58 pounds)


    Asus G752VS------------>
    height x width x depth (in mm): 53 x 428 x 334 ( = 2.09 x 16.85 x 13.15 in), 4.48 kg ( = 158.03 oz / 9.88 pounds)

    Asus G701VIK------------->
    height x width x depth (in mm): 38 x 429 x 309 ( = 1.5 x 16.89 x 12.17 in), 3.99 kg ( = 140.74 oz / 8.8 pounds)

    17" LGA

    Clevo P775dm3-g------>
    height x width x depth (in mm): 39.9 x 418 x 295 ( = 1.57 x 16.46 x 11.61 in), 4.167 kg ( = 146.99 oz / 9.19 pounds)


    Clevo P870km1-------->
    height x width x depth (in mm): 47 x 428 x 308 ( = 1.85 x 16.85 x 12.13 in), 5.5 kg ( = 194.01 oz / 12.13 pounds)
     
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    Well, yeah, you've got to complete the tuning, if you are unstable you need to back off the undervolt +10mV or maybe as little as +5mV, and then after getting the 100% CPU load stable, you might need to backoff a little further to be stable at idle.

    It's a process that you can cut short if you get the temperature drop you need at -100mV - which most Skylake / Kabylake CPU's will do ok - you can continue tuning to get a few more C drop in temperature, and it's worth it in the long term to find / tune the lowest stable voltage at load / idle.
    I see you answered your own question :)

    But, to expand on that, there are a lot of people that have no fine hand eye coordination because they haven't done any craft's, or model's, or electronics assembly / disassembly so it's a real eye opener and learning experience.

    Your $3000 delicate gaming laptop isn't a good training ground or an inexpensive place to find out you aren't cut out for the effort.

    I've put together a number of "basket case" laptops, parts in a box, where the owner got only so far before getting freaked out.

    No shame in that - to know / find your limits, at least they didn't press themselves past their common sense zone and do damage. I've seen plenty of those too, repairs required.

    For the rest of us that started pulling things apart at a young age, re-pasting is a nice relaxing break from far more edgy work, but we are in the minority still, even today there are few people that get hands on with hardware.

    Which I guess is a draw for many people to try to re-paste their $3000 laptop with the full confidence gained from watching a "How to" youtube video to set them on their journey. :D
     
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  7. jrwingate6

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    None of what you said even remotely comes close to the point I was making. No where in my post did I mention anything about having a 1070 or 1080 in a thin and light laptop.

    I am saying that sometimes BGA is nessesary to those who carry their laptop back and forth to work or on business trips.

    If you want to talk graphics cards in certain chassis, some are completely content with a GTX 1060. If you want a little more power with decent portability, there are some 1070 notebooks that are portable enough to carry around day to day. The GE73vr being one of them.

    Bottom line, I'm lucky enough to be able to game at work and there is no way in hell I'm dragging a clunk box P870 back and forth to work or to the beach every other weekend.

    If you're the type of person who keeps their laptop at home 99% of the time then yea sure, knock yourself out and get a laptop that weighs 13 pounds.

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    well i game and travel a lot to places, certainly my m18xr2 is heavier than other bga laptops, basically mobility is the only key for bga. if one can put up with the weight, then no problem!
     
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    Slightly off topic but thermal relevent, Windows power options if its in balanced will the cpu throttle down during gaming sessions or will it just run at high performance mode? The reason I ask is will it help during demanding and less demanding situations when gaming or intensive applications.
     
  10. sicily428

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    BGA cpus/gpus are useful for laptops like dell xps 9560, aero 15, p950hp6, gs63vr but they are stupid for 3.5kgs/4.5kgs gaming laptops:newpalm:

    I'm trying to say that a predator 15 is 3.7kgs and an alienware 15 r3 is 3.5kgs and they are BGA laptops. Are they clunk boxes? :D :D
    Asus G752VS is 4.5kgs and alienware 17r4 is 4.4kg and they are BGA laptops. Are they clunk boxes? :D :D
    MSI 16L13 is an LGA cpu and MXM gpu laptop and it is 3kgs or clevo P750dm2 is an LGA cpu and MXM gpu laptop and it is 3.5kgs and they are better IMO
    Do you have real reviews for that GE73VR with gtx1070? stress-tests? benchmarks?
     
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