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As Rivals Outsource, Lenovo Keeps Production In-House

Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by kanuk, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. kanuk

    kanuk Notebook Deity

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    A good read, thought some here might find it interesting.
     
  2. Nighthawk-K16

    Nighthawk-K16 Newbie

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    Great article, thanks for sharing. It's nice to see a company that actually cares - I've used computers from Apple, Dell, and Hewlett-Packard and nothing touches the ThinkPad in terms of quality (in my opinion).
     
  3. Andrew Baxter

    Andrew Baxter - Super Moderator

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    Definitely an interesting behind the scenes read, thanks for sharing. I still hear many people using IBM when they actually mean Lenovo. It's been several years now but in the U.S. it's still an unfamiliar brand name even though they're top three in the world at selling PCs. Tough going to market the brand when it has no name recognition.
     
  4. pepper_john

    pepper_john Notebook Deity

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    it's not just your opinion, lenovo has been ranked top in reliability,

    1. Lenovo/IBM (281)
    2. Toshiba (190)
    3. Samsung (156)
    4. Apple (151)
    5. Asus (126)
    6. HP/Compaq (100)
    7. Dell (68)
    8. Sony (64)
    9. Acer (40)


    2012 Computer Reliability Report: Lenovo Most Reliable, Acer Least Reliable, Apple Declined | Connecticut Consumer Advocate Protector Watchdog | Ct Consumer Complaints |Ct consumer Protection | Ct Advocate | Ct Consumer

    and the same in 2011

    2011 Computer Reliability Reports: Lenovo, Asus On Top | Connecticut Consumer Advocate Protector Watchdog | Ct Consumer Complaints |Ct consumer Protection | Ct Advocate | Ct Consumer
     
  5. Thors.Hammer

    Thors.Hammer Notebook Enthusiast

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    I was under the impression Lenovo uses Foxconn and another assembly company for ThinkPads.
     
  6. gerryf19

    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    Not the thinkpads...maybe the ideapads. Pretty sure I read somewhere the upcoming Lenovo smartphone was going to be built by foxconn as well
     
  7. lucida

    lucida Notebook Guru

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    FWIW, DELL also builds in house. Its actually doesn't matter where or by whom its built, the key is quality control.
     
  8. MrSatan

    MrSatan Notebook Guru

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  9. gerryf19

    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    That's not true--at least when it comes to laptops. Last I checked, Dell laptops are made by companies like Compal, Quanta and Arima (Inspiron, latitude and alienware, respectively).
     
  10. djembe

    djembe drum while you work

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    My Thinkpad was built by Wistron, as I recall.
     
  11. Thors.Hammer

    Thors.Hammer Notebook Enthusiast

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    That was the other name I was trying to think of. Foxconn and Wistron. I'm not sure where the professional journalist at The Wall Street Journal got their information, but it isn't accurate. Lenovo doesn't build everything in house.

    Unless of course Lenovo and the other companies are just fronts for the Chinese government.

    Ducks and runs for cover. :D
     
  12. owned66

    owned66 Newbie

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    not outsourcing ?
    isnt lenovo a Chinese company who are they going to outsource too lol

    all rivals who outsource like American companies dell or HP do soo because its too expensive

    this article makes no sense to me
     
  13. yrc

    yrc Notebook Consultant

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    Actually, the article is misleading in more ways than one. Outsourcing is not the wrong term to describe Lenovo's business plan, but the reporter seems to have a poor grasp of its meaning. Result is that the reporter cannot identify what is being outsourced, especially after Lenovo acquired the TP brand from IBM. Outsourcing as the reporter means it more aptly describes what IBM had already started doing before it sold the TP brand to Lenovo, which, if I recall correctly, was already a contract manufacturer for IBM.

    IBM had already begun to offshore the production of TPs in the days of the T3x and X3x series. My first two Thinkpads, a T20 and a T21 were made here in the US. By the time I ordered my third, an X31, production had moved to Mexico. And, when I ordered my fourth (an X60s), IBM had just announced that it was selling the TP brand to Lenovo. If you do a search on Thinkpadforums, you will find many posts from people wondering if TPs were on their way to the join the ranks of mediocrity when production has shifted to Mexico and then to China. By the time it acquired the TP brand, Lenovo was already a big player in China and what it was trying to do was acquire a global footprint by leveraging the brand and by acquiring the design, service and quality control knowhow from IBM. After the acquisition, the design teams continued to be based here and in Japan and its possible that that is still the case. TP support is still handled here in the US by IBM. If it is true that design is till based in the US and Japan, then it would be more accurate to view Lenovo as outsourcing design sources where there is such knowhow, while retaining ownership of the brand and of manufacturing (i.e. the reverse of what HP, Dell and Apple do, which is they design and own the brands they sell and service).
     
  14. Thors.Hammer

    Thors.Hammer Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yea, I know. That's why I was so shocked to read the rubbish in the article.

    Journalism isn't what it used to be.
     
  15. erik

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    the production plant in mexico was making thinkpads long before you bought your first.   they were never exclusively made in the US.   you'll find plenty of 700, 701C, 560, 570, 600, 750, 760, 765, and 770 systems with "made in mexico" on the bottom sticker.   you were simply at the right place at the right time to get two US-made T20 and T21 systems since many of those came from mexico as well.

    '20 and '30 series thinkstation systems for the western market are assembled in mexico.   not everything is made in china. ;)
     
  16. Kaso

    Kaso Notebook Virtuoso

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    ^^^ erik: Are the plants in Mexico (and, in general, other than China) still in operation?
     
  17. erik

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    for thinkstation, yes.   lots of changes are in the works so i suspect the buzz about making things in-house across the globe will eventually be clarified.   the article is slightly awkward but probably rings true in more ways than the pundits may think.
     
  18. Thors.Hammer

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    You could tell us, but then you'd have to shoot us. :D
     
  19. yrc

    yrc Notebook Consultant

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    took the words right out of my mouth. But on a different note, since we are talking about Lenovo, it might be interesting for some to read this article on Lenovo's predecessor IBM and specifically the IBM PS/2: The IBM PS/2: 25 Years of PC History | PCWorld

    I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article, but reading it brought back memories of the sound and feel of the old IBM keyboards.
     
  20. oct

    oct Notebook Evangelist

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    Yes, nothing touches Thinkpad's quality, I've got a faulty T510 after 1 year of usage... paid 1K. That was my last Thinkpad I bought.
     

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