***Aorus X7 DT V6 owner's lounge***

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  1. phila_delphia

    phila_delphia Notebook Consultant

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    Hi there!

    I just start of: I ordered a Aorus X7 DT V6. I am going to share my first impressions. Perhaps some of you want to share their expreience:

    The O.K.:
    - First of must say that I was surprised that the chassis is pretty solid.
    - The overall build quality can not be compared with Razer or Alienware I guess but is fine
    - and while I could live without the eagle on lid and trackpad as well as the agressive design of the rear exhausts,
    - it still looks kinda decent if compared with most other (bling, bling, I am 13 year old) gaming notebooks.

    The Good...

    - The specs are awesome: Processor comes with up to 4.0 Ghz out of the box.
    - One can open the notebook up by removing the base plate and reach all important parts
    - If you like to repaste, it seems possilbe without a hassle (like latest Alienware for Example)
    - I did not repaste yet but could up it to wPrime stable 4.1 Ghz allcore after resolving the throtteling issue.*
    - Some testing allowed to run the CPU with 4 Ghz CPU and cache on all cores while undervolting th CPU about 65mV and the Cache about 15mV. Nice!
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    - the 1080 is fantastic: With Afterburner I coud apply +180mhz on CORE (while undervolting) and 250mhz on RAM
    - this gives me ~1800 mhz in The Witcher 3 (WQHD all maxed out) and other games.
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    - the cooling solution solution is well designed and can cope with CPU and GPU (at a prize of course); I especially love the upper intakes of the fans that allow for better cooling.
    - the Aorus Command Center comes along with nice features (including "auto flash" and Updatecenter)
    - the NVMe is really fast:
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    - the keyboard is well lit with a crisp pressure point.
    - the screen has almost no screen bleeding (especially if compared to the Clevos I owned).
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    ...the Bad & the Ugly:

    - As one should expect, the notebook is rather loud under load (but still o.k. if you use a headset).
    - The screen shows some faint interlace on light grey and blue (the issues has ben reported).
    - The System does not seem to have flexicharge (intelligent battery charging while connected via PSU), so the battery is constantly charged to the max.
    - The Bezel on the left upper corner is not completely plane with the LDC. Still the screen has no other issues (bleeding or dead pixel) which held me back from turning the NB in.
    - Without manual adjustments Aorus X7 DT V6 provides a massive throtteling experience*
    - Unfortunately you have to work around** the throtteling out on your own, as the support Aorus support does not seem to care to much/at all (http://forum.aorus.com/forum/gaming...9-aorus-x7-v6-dt-losing-power-even-plugged-in).


    So that`s it for the first impressions.

    Best regards

    phila

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    *The throtteling experience...
    ...is caused by the combination of a underdimensioned PSU (230W) and problems with XTU and/or Bios settings.
    The symptoms are the following: After a gaming a while with heavy load users (including me) experienced
    draining of the battery and/or massive downclocking of the CPU to the base clock only:

    Here is why: Allready heavy Load on 4 Cores (not 8 Threads) with decent brithgtnes of the secreen (+mouse and headset)
    will draw about 93 Watts. This dose not leave sufficient Pwer for the graphics card. Which as mobile version has around 160 Watts.

    Now imagine, you have somewhat higher load over time (Ghost Recon Wildlands for example, will constantly demand ~70% CPU usage and 99% load on the GPU):
    To illustrate this I posted the following picture. It shows the result of a small test:
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    1.) I unplugged all extra devices like mouse, headset and external SSD, set the screen brightnes to50%.
    2.) I fired up a game with demanding graphics.

    As you can see, with The GPU under heavy load and the cores only utilized to 52% the X7 DT V6 allready draws 220W.
    And this with the volgate of the GPU alleready heavily limited (in the picture you can see that the card runs with only 875mV).

    Now imagine extra load on the CPU (Windows Defender, background Task), + a regularly volted GPU + some stuff plugged in...
    You will clearly be above 230 watts. And this is where battery starts to give what it has got until at some point the CPU will throttle
    to 2.7 Ghz to compensate - all because of the insufficient PSU.

    As a matter of fact your FPS will severely drop on games that rely on CPU usage. And as a topping XTU does the rest and - after stopping
    the heavy load on GPU and CPU the CPU clock - will keep the CPU at 2.7 Ghz until you restart the computer!

    **The workaroud:
    In short: Undervolt CPU and GPU, to save Power until you are within the limitations of the PSU to prevent battery drain and throtteling:

    Undervolting the GPU is eays using afterburner. Pressing CTR+F will enable the clock/mV screen, that will let you adjust the maximum Voltage.
    This requires some tuning, but it`s worth while (even on systems that do not face the said problem) as you can undrvolt and oveclock at the same time.
    I can reach constant 1800 mhz GPU clock with only 875mV (which will leave the card cooler while still blazing fast.)

    Undervolting the CPU is not that easy as you have to use Thropttlestop, which does not work well while you have XTU
    up and running (which is integrated into the Aorus Contorl Center). Meaning: To use throttlestop to undervolt the CPU you have to disable XTU,
    which in turn, will disable Aorus Control Center. I wrote two scripts on this behalve: One will disable XTU and enable TS
    the other will disable TS and enable XTU again. You can download them here: https://classic.hidrive.com/share/8kwt3pdnv6
     
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  2. GTO_PAO11

    GTO_PAO11 Notebook Deity

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    Nice. What are your temps on gaming Witcher 3?
     
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    phila_delphia Notebook Consultant

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    Hi there!

    Thx for your interest:
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    Temps after 10 minutes in game. Sorry, I can`t avoid the menue screen - as soon as I print the screen the game will switch to the menus.

    Best regards

    phila
     
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    TyroG Notebook Geek

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    Is there a thunderbolt 3 on this laptop? Also isn't a newer version of this laptop out soon?
     
  5. phila_delphia

    phila_delphia Notebook Consultant

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    The X7 DT V6 has USB C 3.1 but does NOT suppert Tunderbolt in this version

    I`ll guess, there will be a version with 7820HK...

    Best regards

    phila
     
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    aferox Notebook Enthusiast

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    Very nice phila. Not much I could add from my experience. I had my X7 DT V6 customized, so details are a little different. I have no screen or build issues at all. I had it repasted with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra. Took a while for the temps to settle down, but they are about 4-5 degrees cooler. I removed the overclock on my GPU, since I was already blowing away all of the games I regularly play, and it allowed me to turn the fans down to "annoy the neighbors" from "stand beside a jet engine." Seriously, this laptop can get loud and hot in extended gaming sessions. You will want to wear headphones, and use the optional feet included with the Aorus to elevate the back end (made a difference for me at least). When not gaming the laptop is very quiet, even when I'm running heavy duty statistical analysis software. I consider the keyboard excellent; keys are large enough and spaced to be comfortable. The screen resolution is perfect for me - I've always run into some "tiny text" problems on 4K screens, but never here. Overall, I'm very pleased with this purchase. The X7 DT V7 has been announced, and I believe includes Thunderbolt 3, but I haven't seen much about it recently.
     
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    phila_delphia Notebook Consultant

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    Hey! Thank you! Was hoping there is someone out there who also ownes on as well ;-) Customisation was not available for me here in Germany. Anyhow, I did some repasting myself and the notebook looks like it will be fairly easy to repaste. I experimented with the OCing and undervolting (CPU and GPU) as the PSU is the real handicap and the powerdram oft the GPU will cause the CPU to throttle beyond a certain point.

    Right now I am stable at 4.1 Ghz allcore and could even reduce the offset on core and cache a little. Likewise I overclocked and undervolted the GPU as well (locked at 875mV @1835mhz) this leaves the GPU quite calm, especially as I have my framerate locked at 60FPS.

    So year - I am really satisfied with this notebook. I thought about waiting for the V7 but as far as I guess the most important changes will be Thunderpolt 3 and i7 7820 both of which don`t borther me to much - especially as it is not clear when the V7 will arrive and I wanted on now.*

    Best regards

    phila

    *One can allways wait a little longer, I know - but in about 24 month from now we will have the Aours with "Whaterver Lake" oder "Ryzen 2" and "Volta" - so right now was the right time for me
     
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    Great stuff.

    What did you use to undervolt the GPU?
     
  9. phila_delphia

    phila_delphia Notebook Consultant

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    Under C:\Program Files\AORUS\SmartManagerV3\StepFan i have the custom fan control. While Aours Control "on" you can change settings there.

    I do not think they persist with AOC or XTU uninstalled, but you could use the scripts to change fans and then switch to the TS Profile.

    Best regards

    phila
     
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  10. TyroG

    TyroG Notebook Geek

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    What about the noise bro?
     
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