AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

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  1. custom90gt

    custom90gt Doc Mod Super Moderator

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    I agree, shame on Intel for not having any innovation. Also shame on AMD for taking so long to actually be competitive and push Intel to actually get off their rear ends. This is why I'm not a fanboy. Blindly supporting any company leads to stagnation as we've had with Intel. You can check my sig and realize I'm not a fanboy...

    And shame on NVIDIA for taking a chance with something. We all know nothing ventured nothing gained. Now that AMD is somewhat catching up in the mid end, I bet NVIDIA comes out with something that is a reasonable step up. Having said that, if you want the fastest thing, NVIDIA is still the way to go...

    X399 is just a dead end platform as x299, you'll have to admit that. And the security stuff is semi-important to me. It's like browsing the internet without virus protection (something I do because I watch where I go). It's not something that's going to entirely sway me, there are other things that I value as much/more.

    Sadly working 70-80 hours a week as a resident physician doesn't lead to much time to mow lawns, lol.
     
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    Yeah, making excuses for Intel and Nvidia, boo-hoo ;)

    AMD TR1 / TR2 earned their stripes, progressing AMD and leaving perfectly useful secure CPU's for price sensitive uses. It is still current technology to me, being sold as new and simply filling performance slots and needs that the ThreadRipper 3 can't accomodate.

    I figured you'd not be a "lawn mower", I was simply suggesting taking on some extra work to carry the purchase, or wait a little longer to save up what is needed - keeping an eye out for sales or new opportunities when they arrive.

    Fortunately I never even thought to use credit for personal purchases, so I have no debt. So I'd never suggest that to someone as a method to attain their goals.

    Not knowing what kind of doctoring line you are in, that's the best I can suggest, I would hope you could find additional sources for income in your line if you gave it some thought.

    Then you could donate some time to assuage your guilt for being all about the money for a goal.

    Good luck :)
     
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    TR1/TR2 are may be current tech but not state of the art tech. With the prices of TR and plus EOL x399 people do not want to invest in them except at severe discounts, like used pricing etc.. Even where Ryzen 3xxx is concerned and they are mostly compliant with 1st and 2nd gen boards but at least you can buy the old gen and upgrade to 3rd gen.

    Edit; amazon has the 3960x back but only 3 left. Like I said hot cakes and it is the 3rd gen entry. A 3960x as a new system is probably better than any 1950x, 2950x, 2970x or even 2990x option.
     
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    Amazon Statistics shows a different preference order, the 3960x isn't #1 in any of them. The 3960x is not the most desired ThreadRipper.

    The 3960x is way behind a lot of other 1st and 2nd gen and 3rd gen ThreadRippers, it's #52 in Most Wished for, behind the #27 1920x, #29 3970x, #30 3990x, #35 2950x, #50 2920x.

    So it's not due to not enough in stock... there are 5 other 1st/2nd/3rd gen ThreadRippers more desired than the 3960x.

    Amazon Hot New Releases
    #1 ThreadRipper 3970x
    #2 ThreadRipper 3990x
    #3 ThreadRipper 3960x
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/pc/229189

    Best Sellers in Computer CPU Processors
    #31 ThreadRipper 3970x
    #37 ThreadRipper 1920x
    #42 ThreadRipper 2950x
    #58 ThreadRipper 3990x
    #59 ThreadRipper 1900x
    #78 ThreadRipper 3960x
    https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

    Most Wished For in Computer CPU Processors
    #27 ThreadRipper 1920x
    #29 ThreadRipper 3970x
    #30 ThreadRipper 3990x
    #35 ThreadRipper 2950x
    #50 ThreadRipper 2920x
    #52 ThreadRipper 3960x
    #59 ThreadRipper 1950x
    #74 ThreadRipper 2990wx
    #77 ThreadRipper 2970wx
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/most-wished-for/pc/229189
     
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    As far as the older gen offerings the results are compiled from some data that existed before the 3rd gen TR's were marketed so the results will be skewed. The 3960 mostly has been snapped up by price gougers but people wil not pay a premium so close to 39770x prices, they would just buy a 3970x.
     
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    The data is fresh as of the current time. The data changes throughout the day. The Best Sellers lists are updated frequently during the day:

    Best Sellers in Computer CPU Processors
    #31 ThreadRipper 3970x
    #37 ThreadRipper 1920x
    #42 ThreadRipper 2950x
    #58 ThreadRipper 3990x
    #59 ThreadRipper 1900x
    #78 ThreadRipper 3960x
    https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

    I don't know what you are trying to say anyway, the data is clear. The 3960x is dead last in current Threadripper sales, and the 3970x is #1 in ThreadRipper sales, with the 1920x in 2nd and 2950x in 3rd.

    The 3960x isn't short supply and it isn't being scalped as they are in stock and the price is @ MSRP:

    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X 24-Core, 48-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor, without Cooler
    Price: $1,399.00

    https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-3960X-48-Thread/dp/B0815JGCXP/
     
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    The 3960x is in short supply, this is the first time they've been in stock on amazon for any amount of time, likewise other retailers. My Microcenter hasn't had them in stock more than a couple of times. You can't sell what you don't have, of course it's not the best seller...
     
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    Strange that the 3960x isn't on the wish list higher up too...if the 3960x was in demand and out of stock it's position in the wish list should be a lot higher.

    I'm finding the 3990x in stock everywhere but Microcenter...
    https://www.centralcomputer.com/amd...thread-processor-4-5-ghz-max-boost-strx4.html
    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1516713-REG/amd_ryzen_threadripper_3960x_3_8.html
    https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x/p/N82E16819113619
    https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-3960X-48-Thread/dp/B0815JGCXP
    http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?...MI4NbRiKn45wIVF7vsCh3wLwCJEAkYASABEgLUHPD_BwE
    https://www.microcenter.com/product...per-3960x-38ghz-24-core-strx4-boxed-processor

    AMD has a lot of headroom for cost cutting, that's good news :)

    AMD Gives Itself Massive Cost-cutting Headroom with the Chiplet Design
    by btarunr Wednesday, 22:52 Discuss (87 Comments)
    https://www.techpowerup.com/264271/...cost-cutting-headroom-with-the-chiplet-design

    At its 2020 IEEE ISSCC keynote, AMD presented two slides that detail the extent of cost savings yielded by its bold decision to embrace the MCM (multi-chip module) approach to not just its enterprise and HEDT processors, but also its mainstream desktop ones.

    By confining only those components that tangibly benefit from cutting-edge silicon fabrication processes, namely the CPU cores, while letting other components sit on relatively inexpensive 12 nm, AMD is able to maximize its 7 nm foundry allocation, by making it produce small 8-core CCDs (CPU complex dies), which add up to AMD's target core-counts.

    With this approach, AMD is able to cram up to 16 cores onto its AM4 desktop socket using two chiplets, and up to 64 cores using eight chiplets on its SP3r3 and sTRX4 sockets.

    In the slides below, AMD compares the cost of its current 7 nm + 12 nm MCM approach to a hypothetical monolithic die it would have had to build on 7 nm (including the I/O components).

    The slides suggest that the cost of a single-chiplet "Matisse" MCM (eg: Ryzen 7 3700X) is about 40% less than that of the double-chiplet "Matisse" (eg: Ryzen 9 3950X). Had AMD opted to build a monolithic 7 nm die that had 8 cores and all the I/O components of the I/O die, such a die would cost roughly 50% more than the current 1x CCD + IOD solution. On the other hand, a monolithic 7 nm die with 16 cores and I/O components would cost 125% more. AMD hence enjoys a massive headroom for cost-cutting.

    Prices of the flagship 3950X can be close to halved (from its current $749 MSRP), and AMD can turn up the heat on Intel's upcoming Core i9-10900K by significantly lowering price of its 12-core 3900X from its current $499 MSRP. The company will also enjoy more price-cutting headroom for its 6-core Ryzen 5 SKUs than it did with previous-generation Ryzen 5 parts based on monolithic dies.
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    Source: Guru3D

    Good news, TSMC unfazed by Coronavirus shutdowns...

    Coronavirus outbreak impacts: TSMC unfazed by outbreak
    DIGITIMES staff, Tuesday 11 February 2020
    https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20200211VL200.html

    "The coronavirus outbreak in China is hitting hard many in the supply, but TSMC is a major exception.

    The world's top pure-play foundry has no plans to revise its sales guidance for the first-quarter, and reportedly none of its major clients are cutting orders despite the epidemic, with the foundry's capacity supply remaining tight.

    While even TSMC's China fabs have been able to maintain smooth operation, others in the IT sector have difficulties returning to normal production though work at their China plants has resumed.

    Foxconn and Pegatron, like many other Taiwan-based makers running manufacturing plants in China, are seeing limited numbers of employees returning to work. Failure to resume full production at Foxconn and Pegatron will affect iPhone shipments to Apple.

    TSMC continues to see supply run tight despite coronavirus outbreak: TSMC continues to see its supply remain tight, with no cutbacks in orders from its major fabless clients such as Huawei's HiSilicon, according to sources familiar with the matter.

    Uncertainties in employee returns may disrupt Foxconn production: Uncertainties in employee returns due to the coronavirus outbreak have become a challenge for Foxconn Electronics, a key Apple supplier with assembly facilities in Chinese cities of Zhengzhou, Shenzhen and Taiyuan, according to industry sources.

    Pegatron hit by low labor return rates: With China locking down Shanghai to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, Pegatron's plant in the city only saw a limited number of workers return to their posts on February 10, the first working day after the extended Lunar New Year break, according to sources from the upstream supply chain."
     
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    Yes compiled daily from data dating back to when, if data is from the year well?
     
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    Amazon does this to inform us as to what are the most popular - right now, not months ago.

    Not to mention that the fact that the 3960x has dropped that far down the popularity list of ThreadRipper CPU's shows the lists are only expressing the relevant wishes, sales, and Hot Products, not "old data from a year ago".

    The data is updated on a cycle advertised in the title, and the currently less popular choices get pushed down into the stack and off the board at their #cutoff, likely chosen to only show currently relevant entries.

    Amazon has their own interest in mind to keep these lists relevant to buyers and sellers. And, Amazon sells almost everything these days, so old hardware can be popular given large purchases from companies refreshing or expanding. That's why you see older items jump up near the top of the list briefly, some are timeless reliable choices that have demand as well. Like the 1900x, 1920x, 1950x, etc.

    The update cycle is in each Title:

    Amazon Best Sellers
    Our most popular products based on sales.
    Updated hourly.
    https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189

    Amazon Hot New Releases
    Our best-selling new and future releases.
    Updated hourly.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/pc/229189

    Amazon Most Wished For
    Our products most often added to Wishlists and Registries.
    Updated daily.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/most-wished-for/pc/229189
     
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