AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

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  1. Chastity

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    No issues, gamed for hours. I did manage to force a blank screen event, by alt-tabbing until it happened. Since the game was still running perfectly with no driver reset, I suspect the DWM borked instead of a driver.

    Anyhoo, running 12.2.1, I disabled ULPS since it's a known issue since early GCN days that having it enabled causes power saving options to be too aggressive. Probably tied to the issue of people complaining about underclocking in old games. You can easily disable this using Afterburner.

    @Deks
     
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    I don't see Palit's out here any more... generally, before I stopped seeing them they were high end - more expensive - and well regarded.

    As we've seen with Asus Strix / TUF and MSI Evoke with the 5700XT even "good" brands can screw up, so you'll want to find someone that has a Palit Navi GPU and get their direct experience with current product. :)
     
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    I was asking about Palit because that's the brand that PC Specialist seems to be using here in UK to assemble custom destkop PC's.
    Thinking of getting a desktop right now until Zen 2 mobile comes out as a stopgap measure so I can continue doing my course without interruptions (the laptop I have right now is a bit of a slowpoke and hits certain limits both thermal and performance wise when it comes to 3D - just the other day the CPU reached 'critical' thermal juncture and shut down the machine as I was maxing it out consistently in a warm space with 3ds Max - the price of putting a 45W CPU into a Dell meant for 35W TDP I suppose - sigh - or I might change the thermal paste - a better application might solve the problem).

    I'd build my own desktop, but its been ages since I assembled one, and things have changed in the interim (with more things to keep in mind for assembly).
    Also, to be honest, the price differential between the PC specialist one and personally assembled one isn't very large from what I calculated.

    We'll see what happens.
    I'd prefer a Zen 2 laptop, but not gonna get Asus ones as the brand is dead to me for now due to bad experience and overpricing.

    Great to confirm what I already suspected. :)
    Thanks for that.
     
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    Picked up another nugget of info from Reddit that disabling ULPS also disables AMD ZeroCore, which is a extreme power saving event that also unpowers some of the output controllers. This smells like the black screen culprit, that these outputs getting turned off when they shouldn't.
     
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    People report it's a placebo effect - while others say it made their cards stable - or more stable...maybe not the solution after all?

    ULPS: How to disable
    Discussion created by kingfish on May 8, 2014
    https://community.amd.com/thread/176003

    A Tale of Radeon Adrenalin 2020 (Ver. 20.2.1 Optional), ULPS, and how I solved the black screen and crashing issues on the latest drivers for my RX 5700xt
    [​IMG]
    Posted by u/ErikJay226 1 day ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/f6ccqo/a_tale_of_radeon_adrenalin_2020_ver_2021_optional/

    I0000days 1 day ago
    "What a bunch of bull. I have disabled UPLS and many other registry settings and compared them side by side and concluded they're all placebo fixes."

    St0RM53 1 day ago
    "I have ULPS enabled in all drivers since October. Not a single crash for me. I'm starting to believe it is GPU card specific. I run a Msi 5700XT gaming x as well as my brother. Never heard a black screen crash on these ones."

    More failures than successes reported in that thread...
     
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    Which GPU are you going to get in the build? I notice on the Palit site there are no 5700xt's or other AMD GPU's :D

    The 2070 Super seems the best balance of cost vs performance on the green side. I got a really cheap Holiday special on a 3700x + 2070 Super for $1099, the 5700xt build was $1299 and the 5700xt was the blower model.

    I had already planned out a build with an Asus Strix 5700xt because the Sapphires either weren't available or were too expensive, while the Strix was available to me locally. My build was going to cost $1500+.

    Makes it tough to justify building my own when I can get it all pre-built for hundreds less with a warranty.

    I had been watching for Sapphire 5700xt's to come back in stock around here, now I'm waiting for the AMD driver issues to mellow out, and I might have to wait until Big Navi rolls around.
     
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    2 weeks in on the 3990x and no stock shortages. It seems it is just a bit too high a price for most enthusiasts, as that was anticipated/expected. While agreed it blows everything else out of the water just about no one needs that kind of power. 3960x is hard to come by so that may be the DIY favorite for enthusiasts but the 3970x looks tempting as it can be found at a discount.
     
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    The desktop in my signature was a pre-built from MicroCenter's in-house PowerSpec brand. It was advertised as being open box, though when I got it home there was nothing to indicate it had been in a customer's hands. Heck, even the plastic film protecting the tempered glass side panel on the case was still in tact. Despite it using one of the cheapest Z390 boards on the market, the total cost of the components alone was greater than what I ended up paying for the completed machine, even after figuring in sales tax. Oddly, it didn't have a GPU out of the box, but it was easy enough to transfer the 2070 from the rig it was replacing. While it wasn't entirely necessary, I did change out the power supply from the stock low-end Cooler Master 600W to an EVGA 850 G2 80-Plus Gold to give more headroom for future upgrades.

    The big OEMs have also been stepping up their games with gaming pre-builts. HP in particular has some Omen desktop configurations that are not outrageously priced. Pick one up on sale, and it's an even better deal. I'm finding it harder and harder to go back to the old "built it yourself" chestnut these days.
     
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    Most enthusiasts will probably stick to 32c/64th TR's for now.
    The ones likely to go for 3990x are VFX studios and companies in general - as this CPU is really aimed towards those.

    The build I've been considering would have Gigabyte Aorus lite B450 with 3990x and RX 5700, but for the same cost of them having to install their RX 5700, I can get Sapphire RX 5700 + 16GB of 3600MhZ C16 RAM off Amazon (for the same price of them just installing their RX 5700) and install them myself (I'd install my own OS on it of course).

    That's pretty much it, along with a 2k Freesync monitor (31.5" AOC) and some other bits.
    Total price would come to £1580 (roughly).
    The higher price is due to 3990x (obviously)... I could drop it to say 3700x (and that would drop the price by about £170), but was considering the 12c because of my productivity requirements such as 3d Studio Max, upcoming Blender, etc.).

    3700x would probably be enough for now and then later on I could just stick Zen 3 12c or 16c into it (though perhaps I should consider X570 for that?).
     
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    Agreed, I can say before the killing of x399 I knew of the $4,000 price point and the fanboy in me was looing toward it and a TRX80 just to have the ultimate but AMD killed that in me. Not saying a 39xx is not in my future just no hurry now.
     
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