AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

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    These are AMD's first laptop GPU's in a long time, and comparing the 5700M spec's they are very close to the RX5700 specs:
    https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/compare/graphics/9016,8466

    The whole line up of mobile GPU's would then start at the desktop 5700 as the top end, and fill out the mid-range with the rest of the sku's:
    https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/compare/graphics/9016,9031,8911,8976

    To me it looks exactly like I would expect.

    Why would you - or anyone - expect the mobile GPU's to outperform the desktop GPU's of the same generation?
     
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    3990x, it's here... :)

    Red Digital Cinema gets 64-core Performance with the AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3990X
    Feb 7, 2020
    AMD
    Red Digital Cinema, creators of Red Camera, implement the massive performance of the AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 3990X into their 8K editing workflow to game-changing results.
    Discover more: https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen...


    AMD Threadripper 3990X Review: Intel’s 18-cores, Crushed by AMD’s 64-cores
    Feb 7, 2020
    Hardware Unboxed


    It's hard to watch, but I can't look away - Threadripper 3990X
    Feb 7, 2020
    Linus Tech Tips
    With 64 cores and 128 threads, Threadripper has finally dethroned even Intel’s biggest configurations at a price far lower, to boot. Could it be too good to be true?


    AMD Threadripper Launch -- Build & Initial Benchmarks
    Streamed live 2 hours ago
    Level1Techs
    The 3990X is launching!! Thanks to microcenter for letting me run benchmarks on their build!


    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X w/ THERMOSIPHON IceGiant Prototype
    Feb 7, 2020
    KitGuruTech
    It's another incredible launch for AMD today - We have no idea how Intel are going to answer this - they are now so far behind!
    Read our full review here: http://bit.ly/2w13Q5T
    Today Luke takes a look at the new, incredibly powerful AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 64 core / 128 thread processor. It's a complete monster - and proved challenging to overclock. We managed to get hold of the new IceGiant ProSiphon Elite Prototype to overclock the processor and we recorded power draw of up to 900 watts when we let it work its magic with untapped BIOS settings. It was quite a tough task the cool, but the ProSiphon Elite was up to the task.

    00:16 The AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X!
    00:40 Processor details and overview
    02:50 Test System Details
    04:38 CPU clock performance details
    05:29 Overclocking 64 cores is challenging !
    06:27 IceGiant ProSiphon Elite Cooler Prototype Teaser for later !
    06:45 Some (amazing) performance results
    11:10 Why would you need this processor and what are the potential issues?
    15:20 Power Consumption results
    16:47 Power Consumption performance per watt
    17:45 Wraith Ripper Temperatures
    18:51 IceGiant ProSiphon Elite Prototype Cooler
    21:10 ProSiphon Elite Performance results (wow!)
    24:46 AMD 3990X - how good is it and do you really need it?
    28:32 Threadripper 3000 and TRX40 platform lead the way - here is why.
    29:54 Scaling discussion and adoption
    31:21 Business uses
    32:41 KitGuru’s closing thoughts


    And, a new contender for the Noctua D15...works great on Ryzen, but there isn't a model for ThreadRipper's...:confused::eek:

    Part 1: NOCTUA in trouble? - Leo tests the NEW Zalman CNPS20X / CNPS17X!
    KitGuruTech
    Today Leo takes a look at two new coolers from Zalman - a company we haven't heard much from in quite some time. Do Noctua need to be worried in 2020? Leo finds out all the gory details !
    Full review with more details here: https://www.kitguru.net/components/le...


    Part 2: Noctua NH-D15 v Zalman CNPS20X - NEW SAMPLE tested!
    Feb 5, 2020
    KitGuruTech
    Our review a few days ago has caused a lot of debate. So much so that we felt we should go back and get more details and further information from some retests. We got another Noctua D15 sample on our test bench and reran a lot of tests. Thanks to Noctua for being such a great group of guys to work with!


    Zalman CNPS20X vs Noctua NH-D15 on 3900x.png
     
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    The 3990x broke a few records today:

    SurfaceDockGuy 8 hours ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen..._pushes_amd_ryzen_threadripper_3990xs/fgttyxy

    Looks like the overclocker is getting 5.5GHz on ONE core with 60 cores parked at 600Mhz: https://valid.x86.fr/30db6z

    But wow what a Cinebench score: [39518]
    https://hwbot.org/submission/4347415_splave_cinebench___r20_ryzen_threadripper_3990x_39518_marks

    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X's 64 Cores Overclocked to 5.5 GHz in World Record

    When having 64 cores simply isn't enough.
    By Zhiye Liu 12 hours ago
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3990x-overclock-record

    "Today, we dropped our AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X review while overclockers dropped a number of world records around the chip. A professional overclocker known as TSAIK overclocked all 64 cores to a clock speed of 5,548.71 MHz using liquid nitrogen (LN2).

    Careful selection of the proper hardware is key to setting world records, of course. TSAIK paired his Threadripper 3990X with MSI's Creator TRX40 motherboard and a single stick of DDR4 RAM clocked at 1,866 MHz with 13-13-13-31 CL timings.

    GPUPI for CPU - 1B, Geekbench 3 multi-core and Cinebench R20 benchmarks with his chip overclocked to 5,475.43 MHz, 5,375 MHz and 5,305.88 MHz, respectively. Unlike TSAIK, Splave went with the ASRock TRX40 Taichi motherboard.

    Meanwhile, safedisk now has the highest scores for wPrime 1024m and Cinebench R15. His Threadripper 3990X was clocked at 5,125 MHz for the first benchmark and 5,225 MHz for the latter.

    Given the processor's more than generous core and thread counts, the Threadripper 3990X will likely become a new favorite toy for extreme overclockers."

    Overclocker Pushes AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X's 64 Cores to 5.5 GHz in World Record
    Posted by u/black_fang_XIII 11 hours ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/f0dqw1/overclocker_pushes_amd_ryzen_threadripper_3990xs/

    The $6,747 base price is cheaper than the MacPro entry level model:

    System76 'Thelio Major' Ubuntu Linux desktop gets jaw-dropping 64-core AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X option

    By Brian Fagioli, Published 2 hours ago
    https://betanews.com/2020/02/07/system76-thelio-major-amd-3990x/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/f0lf42/system76_thelio_major_ubuntu_linux_desktop_gets/

    "...So, how much does a Thelio Major with Threadripper 3990X cost?

    The starting price with that chip is actually quite reasonable at $6,747. If that price seems astronomically high to you, then the computer likely isn't meant for you. Don't take that statement as an insult -- most people don't need a 64-core processor.

    Those that do need such a beast can absolutely understand spending such money on a tool that can get work done. If you decide to max-out the specifications during the configuration process, you can easily exceed $15,000!

    Ready to buy your own 64-core Linux super computer? You can configure and purchase a Thelio Major with AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X here."

    "A final thought. The AMD TR 3990X is amusingly priced at $3990. It’s a great marketing idea, and gets people talking. I’m proud to say that this price was my idea – AMD originally had it for something different. I don’t often influence change in the industry in such an obvious way, but this one was fun."
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/15483/amd-threadripper-3990x-review/6

    True story: the $3990 price tag on the 3990X is @IanCutress's doing. https://t.co/7CpuwubS6L
    — Ryan Smith (@RyanSmithAT) January 6, 2020

    link
    I found this article a bit baffling, frankly. I did not understand the "out of chaos" titling at all...;)

    But anyway--it should be obvious what AMD is doing here--people running desktops for gaming running Win10 home or Pro are *not* the people the CPU is aimed at--the CPU is aimed at Prosumers who would rather not spend $20k for Intel's inferior solutions but would rather spend $4k for a faster cpu solution and save a cool $16k in the bargain and come out with something appreciably faster.

    Yes, people are going to run this with Enterprise--duh...;)

    You aren't going to spend money on a 128t cpu and then run it with a 64t OS--don't even know why Win10 and Win10 Pro were mentioned at all--other than to state they shouldn't be used with the CPU--which would take but a single sentence.

    Then there the handful of benchmarks used here--how many threads do each of these benchmarks support at maximum? Article didn't say--so that was sort of a strike out, etc.

    I think Anandtech needs to come back and do this review properly--as it stands, this one makes it seem like the only "chaos" involved is the obvious confusion in the minds of the Anandtech reviewers....;) (No offense)

    Simply put: if Intel couldn't sell $20k cpu systems Intel wouldn't make them--so obviously, there's a market for 128t cpus--again, duh.

    You can do much better than Intel at a fraction of the cost--and there's your market! No chaos at all.

    Also: this CPU is very new--there remain the usual AGESA bios improvements that need to be made in the upcoming months, etc. That fact should have garnered at least a sentence, don't you think?

    In the past I've seen much better reviews than this--especially for the world's first and only 128t single CPU!"

    AMD's 3990x is beyond the ability of almost all of the reviewers we rely on for our "gaming" laptop and desktop reviews.

    With the 3990x AMD has pushed the consumer market beyond it's ability to comprehend and make use of it, which is great, I'm excited to see what consumer software and applications follow these large core count resources into the market in the next 5 to 10 years.
     
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    Well at least we know now why AMD let the rumor go about the WRX80 as then maybe 512 GB ram would be supported or better.
     
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    There aren't 64GB UDIMM's available to make 512GB happen for the TRX40 - yet? The largest UDIMM's I have found are 32GB.

    With 4 channels (2 UDIMM's per channel) = 8 slots x 32GB DIMM = 256GB, making that the current TRX40 motherboard maximum.

    With Epyc you can get higher density RDIMM / LRDIMM memory x 16 slots, 64GB / 128GB / 256GB for up to 4TB per socket of memory.

    IDK if the UDIMM sockets on TRX40 can take higher density compatible UDIMM's, or even if the UDIMM spec allows larger sizes. I didn't find anything referencing 64GB UDIMM's...

    The rumors for sWRX8 give hope for higher density memory compatibility with RDIMM and LRDIMM memory like Epyc, and even 8 channel memory support is rumored, but IDK if the current ThreadRipper 3 series can support such expansion on a new sTRX8 motherboard, or if it will require new ThreadRipper 3 variations.

    Threadripper 3000 Platform Leaks: sTRX4 and sWRX8
    https://www.cgdirector.com/threadri...eadripper_3000_Platform_Leaks_sTRX4_and_sWRX8

    Threadripper 3970/3990x and max ram?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/eyied6/threadripper_39703990x_and_max_ram/

    "Does anybody happen to know what is the maximum amount of ram I can stuff into the current threadrippers? From what I can see, they support up to 1tb of ram, but it seems there are only 256gb kits on the market, outside of lrdimm/rdimm, which don't work on trx40.

    Also, does anybody have issues running 256gb of ram on tr?"

    Hauven, 4 days ago
    "Motherboards are officially stating 256GB, although the processor should be able to handle more. For example, when I ran a 2990WX the officially stated memory capacity was 128GB. Back then it was extremely rare or even non-existent initially to find UDIMM memory modules that were 32GB each. Once I managed to get my hands on 8 x 32GB modules I tried them and it worked fine. Once denser memory modules become more common as UDIMM or unregistered ECC then I'm anticipating the TRX40 motherboards will support it."

    fer662, 1 day ago
    "So... Pretty much 512GB if the 64GB modules come out while TRX40 is still relevant?"
    codekoala, 4 days ago
    "I stuffed 256GB in my 3970X+Zenith II Extreme build, and I've been running it just fine at 3000MHz for a couple weeks. It was unstable at the rated 3200MHz, but I'm ok with that. I was more concerned about capacity and stability than speed. Perhaps one day I'll dabble with tweaking settings to speed things up a bit. I'm using 8x32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V (F4-3200C16-32GVK) if anyone cares."
     
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    It's amazing to see a ~$7000 ThreadRipper 3990x build taking on > $20k Intel CPU's (CPU's only):

    AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X Offers Incredible Linux Performance
    Written by Michael Larabel on 7 February 2020. Page 1 of 8. 56 Comments
    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=3990x-threadripper-linux

    "If you are looking for the absolute best single-socket workstation performance for Linux, there has already been the Threadripper 3970X that easily outperforms the likes of the Core i9 10980XE as Intel's top-end HEDT product, but now the Threadripper 3990X is shipping.

    The Threadripper 3990X is AMD's first 64-core / 128-thread desktop / workstation processor and will love your multi-threaded workloads from code compilation to content creation. As shown in our benchmarks, this single CPU is indeed faster than $20k worth of Intel Xeon Platinum CPUs...."

    numacross 02-07-2020, 11:13 AM
    Meanwhile in Windows the SMT status and OS edition matter a lot for such a large CPU. Anandtech has a good explanation of the issues, but it boils down to having as big differences as:
    [​IMG]
    https://www.phoronix.com/forums/for...dible-linux-performance?p=1158390#post1158390
     
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    Now seeing the 3990x we can tell as of today nothing is requiring the memory pipe of the sTRX80 where as the entire TR lineup could benefit from a sWRX80 and the access to over 256GB.
     
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    I don't see where you can get that from, since none of those motherboards are released yet. To differentiate themselves from the TRX40 motherboards they would need to offer additional features - like more memory channels, RDIMM / LRDIMM support at 64GB / 128GB / 256GB.

    AFAIK an 8 channel motherboard will require new ThreadRipper 3 (4?) CPU sku's, unless AMD hasn't disclosed everything about their currently released ThreadRipper 3 CPU's.
     
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    The Bearded one and Steve "Gamers Nexus" lap a ThreadRipper 3970x, because - why not? :)

    AMD Threadripper CPU Lapping & LN2 Prep, ft. Bearded Hardware & 3970X
    Feb 8, 2020
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    We're lapping an AMD Threadripper CPU, the 3970X, with Joe from Bearded Hardware. The AMD Threadripper 3970X needs to have its nickel plating removed for better contact with overclocking, but we also need to prepare for our 3990X XOC livestream (and later AMD Threadripper 3990X review). In this video, we're working with Joe Stepongzi to learn about AMD TR CPU lapping and to sand down our Hyper Beast LN2 container.
     
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    The benchmarks so far all seem to scale well and not be bandwidth restricted. from 3970x to the 3990x. Even when PBO is stretching the limits. Now once we get to the limits of, if ever of, using 512GB or a TB of ram this may be a different story.

    Edit; I also am not saying it will happen but I can see why they may at one point looked at a sWRX80.
     
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