AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

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  1. rlk

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    Depends upon what your integration tests are doing -- if they are creating lots of VMs themselves, you could blow through 64GB in a hurry.

    Assuming AMD does stick with AM4 for one more generation, going beyond 64/128GB may be difficult.
     
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    As far as AM4, if at only 4 dims with a max of 32gb a stick of DDR4, 128 GB is the limit.
     
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    That depends upon the availability of 64GB DIMMs. It may be that a 6xx chipset will be needed to use those DIMMs, but certainly not everyone needs that.
     
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    I have to question on the number of people creating massive amounts of VM's with huge RAM requirements.
    Even so, blowing through 64GB quickly might be doable indeed, but through 128GB?
    Not what I would consider practical for most home users.
    The amount of work involved to blow through 64GB alone will be really big... nevermind 128GB.

    I still maintain that 128GB limit should be large enough for the foreseeable timeframe even for massive RAM requirements when working with 16c/32 thread CPU... but if you may need even more RAM, wouldn't Threadrippers be a better choice for that?
    I mean, that's what they are for are they not?

    Most users who stick to AM4 platform probably won't need more than 64/128GB RAM even with large workloads (at least not for the time being).

    Most people are barely upgrading their systems to 64GB if they can afford it... I don't see too many systems or users with 128GB (even though some are probably out there), mainly because getting that kind of RAM amount can increase the overall costs of the platform by quite a lot.
    16GB to 32GB is kind of a 'standard' today for a gaming/productivity platform. 64GB would be considered 'optimal' for video editing as After Effects alone can chew through the RAM easily (as can 3d rendering)... but 128GB?
    Hm... useful yes, but right now, I'd say its a bit of an 'overkill'.
     
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    For most people, certainly. But think about, say, someone who's developing Kubernetes and wants a local multi-node cluster without having to use external cloud infrastructure. You may not need the amount of processing power a TR offers, but you're going to need a good amount of memory. It's doable on my 4-core i7-6820HQ with 64GB RAM (with 3 master nodes and 3 workers), but those have to be pretty small nodes with not a lot of RAM to spare, so I'm not going to be able to run many even quite small pods on them. 128GB would help a lot, and 256GB would be a cinch, but I don't need more than 12-16 Ryzen 3 cores, which are much faster than my old mobile Skylake ones.

    If something can "chew through [64GB] easily", it's not far from chewing through 128GB (a factor of 2 is pretty small potatoes).
     
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    The thing here too, is AMD wants 16 core TR users to now consider AM4 as their new platform. There then are the platform limitations. You also have to remember we are talking in any of thses situations as specific and specialized use cases.

    An Edit;
    The TRX40 boards seem to support 8 DIMMs, as did the x399, but support 256GB total instead of just 128GB!
     
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    In that case, get Zen 2 16c/32th and go with 128GB. Chances are it will last you a while. Possibility exists you will be able to double that to 256GB with Zen 3, however, its not a guarantee as we don't know if its mobo that's limited or just down to CPU support (my bet is the mobo can support it, its the CPU that needs to be designed with higher RAM support).
    With TR you have that guarantee (and yes, even though the non-TR 16c/32th CPU has more than enough horse power for you, fact is, Zen 2 atm doesn't support more than 128GB, so you'd be stuck with that RAM, especially if Zen 3 doesn't increase RAM support).

    Might as well go with an entry level Zen 2 TR and 128GB RAM to get you 'started' and then upgrade to more RAM and possibly Zen 3 TR if/when the need arises.

    On a side note, its worth mentioning that AMD considers Zen 3 a 'brand new uArch'.
    I would imagine that kind of change would in fact bring with it changes to include higher RAM support, but as I said, there are no guarantees.
     
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    Now, if we could only get one;
     
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