AMD's Ryzen CPU's (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris GPU's

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  1. Knight666

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    I know but it has 1700 which might OC lower than 1800X selected chip. Also 64GB is a must. Radeon GPU also is nope since i need CUDA acceleration. My lovely 4K Auo 60Hz G-Sync display or any 120Hz display with G-Sync would be deal breaker. :/
     
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    I can overclock my 1700 to 3.6GhZ across all cores on either stock or a notch or two lower voltage and same or slightly lower temps than stock.
    Of course, that's without touching the stock paste on the laptop.
    If it were further repasted with say GeLid GC extreme and had Fujipoly thermal pads on VRM's and GPU VRAM chips, temps would likely drop even more.

    Laptops by default are more constrained in terms of how much you can overclock anyway... but the fact that we can overclock 1700 by 20% over stock in a mobile setting without shooting past stock temps is great.

    As for the GPU... well, I use the laptop for content creation and gaming.
    I have more use of OpenCL and various software is including support for AMD GPU's to rival CUDA (Which is proprietary)... even 3d studio Max works nicely with Radeons these days.
    As for 64GB RAM... it should be possible in the GL702ZC, its just that the cost wouldn't exactly be justified.

    In terms of the screen, well, the only thing I can say is that if you have those specific requirements, then GL702ZC is likely NOT for you.
    I mentioned that laptop because you also said 1700/1800 for CPU... and GL702ZC has a desktop 1700 in it.... but as I said, even in a laptop setting, you end up with a trade-off in terms of overclocking (or raising performance).
    Wouldn't a desktop be a better option for you instead?
    It would certainly be cheaper.
     
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    The problem is that PC is far more expensive, not cheap. :(
    Add such things:
    - Monitor about 600-800 EURO (notebook screens are cheaper to add in configuration (60-200 EUR)... and are excellent quality too and my eyes like smaller screens with higher PPI)
    - Case about 100 EURO + CPU cooling about 100-130 EURO
    - Insane GPU prices, about year ago my friend bought 1070 EVGA FTW 30% cheaper than it's current value... and GPU is getting old...

    Clevo DTR's (MSI still overpriced and mobile crippled cpu's in that price...) are way cheaper, mainly due to monitor cost. :( That's why I'm still looking at

    I'd like to see MSI GT73 with Ryzen and nVidia GPU with 4K display, but it would be so overpriced that our eyes would burn and travel to the eye of terror...
     
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    I am aware of the GPU and RAM prices.
    I meant to say that a desktop would be a cheaper option under regular circumstances... and also for overclocking.

    In a mobile setting, the GL702ZC is the only all AMD platform available right now with very potent hardware.
    Also, this laptop has freesync (which is the same as gsync - only cheaper)... and while it has a 60Hz panel, it is more than enough for content creation and gaming if you ask me.

    If you can see past the CUDA requirements (but you can always check if your software might be able to use OpenCL or AMD hardware in general for acceleration - most does, so it shouldn't be an issue), I would definitely recommend you at least consider GL702ZC - and if not... wait a bit longer for Ryzen+ and lets see if Asus updates the GL702ZC with that CPU and possibly Vega or maybe includes Nvidia GPU's (but I would personally prefer they stick with AMD to increase availability of that hardware in general and proliferate in the mobile sector).

    The latest versions of GL702ZC will likely come with better binned silicon... which of course translates to users being able to set higher frequencies and lower voltage the CPU, while the GPU can only be undervolted right now using MSI Afterburner, and I am running the core on -93mV... one might be able to shoot past 3.6GhZ across all cores on the CPU with better silicon and same or lower temps than stock... but that's just speculation for now (as I said, it might be worth waiting for Ryzen+).

    But generally speaking, I wouldn't get a laptop if overclocking is something you want.
    Yes the GL702ZC can easily do so and cool it properly... but for OC-ing, you'd likely be better off with a desktop (if and when prices go down).
     
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    AMD has gone the multiple (2, 4, more?) ccx vs monolithic die (Intel) for a far to give wafer yield's for die's are incredibly better with smaller dies interconnected vs a single monolithic die.

    This video does a great job of preparing you for the point / conclusion, and I recommend you watch it all.

    AMD has an Epyc advantage in yield's over Intel that allows AMD to offer much less expensive CPU's, with a small loss in interconnect, now and in the future predictably as shown in the video. Well worth it. :)

    This video also shows why Intel was having so much trouble shipping 8700's, at about 6 good CPU's yield per wafer, it's ridiculous how much silicon / process time Intel was/is investing in each 8700 CPU.

    An Epyc Master Plan
     
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    A bit of intel on AMD's embedded Epyc and Ryzen processors
    Dips Zen toes into embedded world with hot new SoCs
    By Chris Mellor 23 Feb 2018 at 10:59

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/23/amds_embedded_epyc_ryzen/
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    "The "other" X86 mill-maker, AMD, has unveiled its efforts to position its Zen architecture kit as an embedded solution for networking, storage, edge and industrial devices: a brace of Epyc and Ryzen processors.

    The semiconductor firm is aiming Epyc 3000 at networking, storage and edge computing devices and the Ryzen V1000 at medical imaging, industrial systems, digital gaming and thin clients. Both are embedded systems.

    There are four pairs of Epyc products, each with 4, 8, 12 or 16 cores, and 1 or 2 threads per core:
    [​IMG]AMD said the Epyc 3000 has up to 2.7X more performance/$ than the competition, citing a Xeon D 1540 and not one of the newer (Skylake) Ds.

    The Epyc 3000 also has twice the connectivity, with up to 64 PCI Express high speed I/O lanes, 8 x 10 GbitE, 16 SATA, and – like Epyc's server-class chips – up to 4 memory channels per CPU. The processors also boast up to 32MB shared L3 cache. It compares it to a Xeon D 1587 with 32 PCIe lanes, 4 x 10GbitE, 6 SATA, 2 memory channels.
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    Epyc 3000

    The newer Xeon D-2100 supports 32 PCIe lanes, up to 4 x 10GbitE ports, and four memory channels.

    The Ryzen V1000 features an Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) coupling Zen CPUs and Vega GPUs on one die, offering up to four CPU cores/eight threads and up to 11 GPU compute units to achieve processing throughput as high as 3.6 TFLOPS.
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    Ryzen V1000 model matrix - click to embiggen

    The Ryzen SoCs have up to four cores / eight threads with up to 2MB of shared L2 cache plus 4MB of shared L3.

    AMD claims the V1000 provides space and power savings and performance benefits over Intel competition. For example:
    • Up to 2X uplift in performance over previous AMD generations,
    • Up to 3X more GPU performance than the competition (AMD V1807B vs Intel Core i7-7700HQ).
    • Up to 46 per cent more multi-threaded performance than the competition (Intel Core i3 -7100U),
    • Up to 26 per cent smaller footprint than the competition (Intel i7-7700HQ package size in FCBGA1440) for optimized board design.
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    Ryzen V1000

    The V1000 supports up to 16 PCIe lanes, dual 10 GbitE, up to four USB 3.1/USB-C interconnects, with additional USB, SATA and NVMe support. Graphically it can drive up to four independent displays running in 4K, with the ability to support 5K graphics, including support for H.265 decode and encode, and VP9 decode.

    Supporting RyzV1000 partners include Arrow Electronics Intelligent Systems, Esaote, QTechnology, Quixant, Sintrones, SMACH Z and others. AMD is promising Epyc 3000 and Ryzen V1000 support for 10 years.

    Get an Epyc 3000 product brief here (PDF) and a Ryzen V1000 brief here (PDF). "


    Smach Z handheld gaming PC to integrate AMD's Ryzen V1000 embedded CPU

    After 4 years of development, the Smach Z handheld PC could finally see the light of day in H2 2018. Smach partnered with AMD to include a custom embedded RX-421B CPU that integrates an 8CU R7 GPU, and the device will also include at least 4 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM and 64 GB of storage.
    by Bogdan Solca, 2018/02/22
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Smach...-AMD-s-Ryzen-V1000-embedded-CPU.285008.0.html
    "2018 is shaping up to be quite a good year for handheld gaming systems. Smartphone makers like Razer, Asus and Xiaomi are hard at work on dedicated gaming devices, and, while these are running Android on powerful mobile SoCs, there are other companies likeGPD or Smach that power their handheld devices with embedded PC processors.

    The Smach Z is formerly known as Project Steamboy and has been in development for almost 4 years now. Silence has fallen over this project in the past few years, but just recently there were some rumors that Smach could actually ship the device this year. Confirming the rumors, Smach has just announced its collaboration with AMD, which will provide custom made Ryzen V1000 embedded processors for the Smach Z.

    With a 12-25W TDP, the processor powering the Smach Z is the Ryzen V1605B, which includes four cores and 8 threads clocked at 2 GHz (3.6 GHz boost). The actively-cooled CPU also integrates an 8 CU Vega 8 GPU clocked at 1.1 GHz similar to the one found in theRyzen 5 2500U laptop CPU. According to Liliputing, Smach CEO Daniel Fernandez claims that this processor can handle any current AAA game, however, some graphics option tweaking might be necessary. The latest specs for the Smach Z handheld PC include a 6-inch FHD display, 4 / 8 GB (Pro version) of DDR4-2400 RAM and 64 / 128 GB (Pro version) storage. Users will further be able to customize the device with 16 GB of RAM and 256 GB storage. The case will feature gaming buttons and pads on each side of the screen, plus a 5 MP camera for the Pro version. Networking features include WiFi + Bluetooth 4.0, while connectivity is ensured through ports like USB-C, USB-A, Micro USB, Display Port, SD card reader and Audio minijack.

    Smach also intends to showcase the Z handheld at the Embedded World expo next week, and there is a good chance the device could ship in H2 2018."

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    Smach Kickstarter campaign

    Liliputing

    AMD Launches EPYC™ Embedded and Ryzen™ Embedded Processors for End-to-End “Zen” Experiences from the Core to the Edge
    ─ EPYC Embedded processors deliver up to 2.7X more performance-per-dollar and Ryzen Embedded processors deliver up to 3X more GPU performance ─
    http://ir.amd.com/news-releases/new...-embedded-and-ryzentm-embedded-processors-end
    "SANTA CLARA, Calif. , Feb. 21, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- AMD (NASDAQ:AMD) today introduced two new product families – the AMD EPYC™ Embedded 3000 processor and AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1000 processor – to enter a new age for high-performance embedded processors. AMD EPYC Embedded 3000 brings the power of “Zen” to a variety of new markets including networking, storage and edge computing devices, while AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 targets medical imaging, industrial systems, digital gaming and thin clients. These new AMD Embedded processors deliver breakthrough performance, exceptional integration and on-chip security.

    “Today we extend the high-performance x86 ‘Zen’ architecture from PCs, laptops and the datacenter to networking, storage and industrial solutions with the AMD EPYC Embedded and AMD Ryzen Embedded product families, delivering transformative performance from the core to the edge,” said Scott Aylor, corporate vice president and general manager, Datacenter and Embedded Solutions Business Group, AMD. “AMD EPYC Embedded 3000 raises the bar in performance for next-generation network functions virtualization, software-defined networking and networked storage applications.

    AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 brings together the ‘Zen’ core architecture and ‘Vega’ graphics architecture to deliver brilliant graphics in a single chip that provides space and power savings for medical imaging, gaming and industrial systems. With these high-performance products, AMD is ushering in a new age for embedded processors.”

    Several customers announced products based on AMD EPYC Embedded 3000 and AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000, including:
    • The Esaote ultra-performance MyLab™9 eXP ultrasound system for general medical imaging, women’s healthcare and cardiovascular diagnostics, based on the Ryzen Embedded V1000 and targeting Q3 availability.
    • The Quixant QX-70 4K Ultra HD casino gaming platform, based on the Ryzen Embedded V1000 and available today.
    • Four products from Advantech based on the Ryzen Embedded V1000, including an integrated casino gaming platform and multimedia gaming engine, high-performance Com-E module for medical, automation and gaming applications, and a mini-ITX embedded motherboard.
    Also, with support from more than 16 major ecosystem partners, companies can purchase boards and access software with AMD EPYC Embedded 3000 and AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 technology. These include:
    • The new IBASE MI988 Mini-ITX motherboard, SI-324 4x HDMI 2.0 digital signage player and FWA8800 1U rackmount network appliance that deliver datacenter class dependability, advanced integration and superior performance for a wide number of embedded applications.
    • The Mentor Embedded Linux and Codesourcery software tools from Mentor Graphics that provide developers with improved performance and features to grow the embedded ecosystem, available today.
    The excitement and momentum around today’s announcement from AMD is supported by several significant proof points.

    AMD EPYC Embedded 3000 processor portfolio delivers:
    • Up to 2.7X more performance-per dollar than the competition1
    • Up to 2X more connectivity than the competition3
    • Enterprise-grade reliability, availability and serviceability (RAS) features
    AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 processor portfolio delivers:
    • Up to 2X uplift in performance over previous generations4
    • Up to 3X more GPU performance than the competition2
    • Up to 46 percent more multi-threaded performance than the competition5
    • Up to 26 percent smaller footprint than the competition for optimized board design6
    In addition to performance, security remains a top concern for enterprise customers, whether they are designing top-of-rack switches, thin client devices or anything in between. AMD EPYC Embedded and AMD Ryzen Embedded processors help protect data at the hardware level with an on-chip secure processor, complemented by hardware validated boot capabilities to help ensure systems are booted up from trusted software. Additionally, Secure Memory Encryption (SME) deters unauthorized physical memory access while Secure Encrypted Virtualization (SEV) offers further deterrence by encrypting virtual machine (VM) memory, without the need to make changes at the application level.

    AMD EPYC Embedded 3000 Product Overview
    • Highly scalable processor family with designs ranging from four cores to 16 cores, available in single-thread and multi-threaded configurations.
    • Support for thermal design power (TDP) ranges from 30W to 100W.
    • Expansive, integrated I/O with support for up to 64 PCIe® lanes and up to eight channels of 10 GbE.
    • Up to 32MB shared L3 cache with up to four independent memory channels.
    • Unparalleled enterprise-grade RAS to address data detection, correction, recovery and containment, helping ensure that systems are continuously running even under the most stringent enterprise environments.
    • On-board secure processor for crypto co-processing, SME to defend against unauthorized physical memory access, and SEV for encrypting VM memory to help protect against various administrator attacks without disrupting application codes.
    • Product availability for up to 10 years, offering customers a long lifecycle support roadmap.
    AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 Product Overview
    • Breakthrough Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) coupling high-performance ‘Zen’ CPUs and ‘Vega’ GPUs on a single die, offering up to four CPU cores/eight threads and up to 11 GPU compute units to achieve processing throughput as high as 3.6 TFLOPS7.
    • By combining the power of ‘Zen’ and ‘Vega’ architectures, the Ryzen Embedded V1000 family can deliver up to 200 percent more performance compared to previous generations5.
    • Support for TDP ranges from 12W to 54W, enabling scalability for high-performance devices and reduced power consumption for energy-conscious applications.
    • Robust I/O capabilities that support up to 16 PCIe lanes, dual 10 GbE and expansive USB options, including up to four USB 3.1/USB-C interconnects, with additional USB, SATA and NVMe support.
    • Incredible resolution in a small package, driving up to four independent displays running in 4K, with the ability to support 5K graphics for applications demanding next-generation visual clarity, including support for H.265 decode and encode, and VP9 decode8.
    • Equipped with dual-channel 64-bit DDR4, with performance up to 3200 MT/s.
    • On-board secure processor for crypto co-processing, SME to defend against unauthorized physical memory access, and SEV for encrypting VM memory to help protect against various administrator attacks without disrupting application codes.
    • Product availability for up to 10 years, offering customers a long lifecycle support roadmap. "
     
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    Very interesting. Does Intel have another Manufacturing process up their sleeves? Things look very bright for AMD, and not so good for Intel.
     
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    Hope it is true too about Epyc plans but too much speculation and as he says "based on his current information".
     
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    If you watched the video you'll see the process passes count increases greatly at each die shrink, which makes the yield's go down progressively, so unless Intel splits up the monolithic die like AMD has, another process shrink will devastate Intel's yield further and further.

    What Intel needs is a new architecture that allows them to split the CPU across die's as AMD has done.

    Maybe Intel can add that to their list of needs for their new more secure design architecture, but that might push the implementation out another year or two.
     
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    OC'd 2200G: 1650mhz GPU 3.9ghz CPU

    Ryzen 3 2200G Gaming Footage, 16 Games Tested with Mixed Results


    Ryzen 3 2200G, Overclocking Guide with a $20 Cooler!
     
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