AMD's Ryzen CPU's (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris GPU's

Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Rage Set, Dec 14, 2016.

  1. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    It is directly getting at Zen 2. Here is the logic on this:

    EPYC is a zen zeppelin complex with b2 stepping whereas Ryzen and TR are a zen CCX dual complex with b1 stepping. Epyc will likely skip the ryzen refresh 12nm node. TR follows layout and design, to a degree, of EPYC. So, changing to accept 8 dies instead of 4 seems less likely, although not impossible. This would suggest in an increase of cores per CCX OR the number of CCXs per die, potentially. Hence the deductions of this discussing Zen 2 (with the starship rumor being from last year of 48 cores, which I can pull up if needed). Does that make more sense on why I believe it is discussing the 7nm design, which makes a lot more sense since that cuts the footprint of components by nearly half, which would allow the core numbers to scale up. So lots of assumptions embedded in my analysis, admittedly. This is why I wanted to bring it up for discussion.
     
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    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    Lol... your link, first post. :)

     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It's a bit early to discuss, I think I'll wait till more info is available. No sense figuring this out for Intel, let them do it themselves ;)
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Fair enough and I completely understand that! I just like playing the speculation game sometimes! And I do try to follow the logic and what could potentially be coming down the road. Part of the joys of predictions. Then I will leave this here until more comes forth in the coming 9+months.
     
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    There will likely be announcements, teasers, and "leaks" to keep us interested in between times :)
     
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    I hear you. I didn't even mention why I think it is core increases per CCX versus increased CCXs, but if it is increased CCXs, the potential results are mind boggling! But I won't say why!!!
     
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    Ah, now I see what you are talking about. :)

    It looks like that model's HP sale is over, sorry :(

    Actually I was coming here to post this info on BestBuy's sale of their HP Ryzen 2500U model configuration, which is $749, higher than the old sale price on HP's site, but now - coincidentally :rolleyes: - lower than it is now at $804.99

    That's probably why HP raised the price, so as to not undercut BestBuy's price:

    HP - 2-in-1 15.6" Touch-Screen Laptop - AMD Ryzen 5 - 8GB Memory - 1TB Hard Drive - HP finish in dark ash silver
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-2-i...sh-in-dark-ash-silver/6124570.p?skuId=6124570

    I received an email about it from AMD:
    amd mailer1.JPG

    The HP site model has bumped up RAM from 8GB to 12GB:
    • Windows 10 Home 64
    • AMD Ryzen™ 5 2500U Quad-Core (2 GHz, up to 3.6 GHz, 6 MB cache) + AMD Radeon™ Vega Graphics
    • 12 GB DDR4-2400 SDRAM (1 x 4 GB, 1 x 8 GB)
    • 15.6" diagonal FHD UWVA micro-edge WLED-backlit multitouch-enabled edge-to-edge glass (1920 x 1080)
    • 1 TB 7200 rpm SATA
    • Office Software Trial
    • Security Software Trial
    • 3-cell, 55.8 Wh Lithium-ion prismatic Battery
    • No DVD or CD Drive
    • Full-size island-style backlit keyboard with numeric keypad
    • HP Wide Vision FHD IR Camera with Dual array digital microphone (Touchscreen)
    • Intel® 802.11ac (2x2) Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® 4.2 Combo
    DOebVrnUEAACwwa.jpg
    https://twitter.com/LisaSu/status/929885959918845952
     
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    HP is really getting greedy to be charging such hefty prices for a low end machine (it's pretty powerful/capable, but still low end).
    This machine shouldn't cost more than $400-$450 with 16GB RAM (2x 8GB).
    And The $805 price is with a 1TB HDD... they offer an SSD (256GB) for EXTRA $130.
    Excuse me but whom do these people think they are fooling?
    More importantly, how are they getting away with it?

    Even worse, back in late 2008, I was able to get my Acer 5930G with P9650 CPU (2c./2th), 3GB RAM and a DEDICATED MID RANGE 9600m GT GPU (MXM no less) for £600.
    It's nearly a decade later and the prices are ridiculously high.
    What gives?
    This AMD APU system is not a mid range system by any stretch of the word... its a low end system (granted it's a lot more powerful than my Acer ever was in every single aspect and very capable in terms of modern consumer technology, but regardless)... and it's 9 years LATER...
    The fact people are expected to pay MORE (because in UK, the thing would be priced at £804.99) for a low-end system than what I paid for a mid-range system a a dGPU in 2008 is OBSCENE.

    It's price gauging and artificial inflation.
    I know RAM got more expensive, but again, its artificial inflation.

    Also, my GL702ZC costs roughly £1600.
    The AMD APU system is practically half the price, but it's nowhere near as powerful... it's not even a mid-range system. Mid range systems with mobile RX 580/GTX 1060 should be the price of this HP laptop.


    There was an article about OEM's inflating the price of laptops with AMD APU's before to the levels of more powerful Intel/Nvidia systems which discouraged people from getting the AMD systems of course.
    They may not be building lousy systems by crippling performance (which has yet to be seen of course given that we just don't know how the cooling is implemented and whether they restrict TDP even more by preventing the APU from reaching its full potential/performance), but they still seem to be charging ridiculous prices.
     
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    Before the Ryzen + Vega solution they all had underpowered ULV Intel CPU's, a few with a lowest end dGPU from Maxwell era.

    HP / Dell / Sony / Samsung / LG have sold them in the $2k++ range or more base configuration, so offering a much better performing Ryzen + Vega for under $1k is a big deal - very reasonably priced for the segment :)
     
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    I suspect these models are selling on different types of consumer expectation about what they're getting. Cost to performance is not necessarily everyone's top (or even close to top) priority. If something seems to have a price that doesn't match its value to you, you are likely not the intended buyer.
     
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