AMD's Ryzen CPU's (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris GPU's

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  1. Papusan

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    Amacing to see a 8 core processor can beat a 6 core in benchmarks. Same as Coffee should beat Kaby:D The way it has to be:p
     
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    Yup, after collecting information from a dozen reviews, video's and printed, errors were found, and are still to be found, that skewed the results in Intel's favor.

    After catching those mistakes and retesting with actual "stock settings" and actual "OC settings", the results finally make sense.

    The Intel 8700k is slower than the AMD 1700x in Cinebench.

    Spending time watching / reading a lot of reviews from a wide range of testers, is required to really know what is going on. The top 4 scores were from some of the most trusted reviewers, and they were the most wrong of all the reviewers this time.

    It is disappointing to realize what I already knew, you need to collect a lot real measured data - not just one or two reviewers - to get a real world view of what is going on, or going wrong :)
     
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  3. Papusan

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    As long we know the IPC, core count and clocks vs. the predecessor... Scores was where they should be. This isn’t magic. Or is it?:D
     
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    I suppose on the plus side, most users buying 8700K with such motherboards will automatically see increased performance, so for them it would be 'stock' performance so to speak. Not stock performance for the Intel CPU, but stock performance for their system as a whole. If all motherboards do this, then I suppose there could be an argument that the 'automatic overclocking' is the stock configuration for 8700K. I don't know if motherboards do any kind of 'auto overclocking' on Ryzen, if they do I suppose you could consider that stock performance.
     
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    Except it's not supposed to be on by default, it's a mistake, per Asus (and?).

    The BIOS is supposed to have a default stock setting out of the box with all OC disabled.

    Per Asus (and?) that expected the MCE setting and All Core Sync to be disabled by default, but found out it wasn't.

    Jay made a point of resetting the BIOS settings using "Optimized Settings", and MCE and All Core Sync was enabled.

    It should be fixed with a BIOS update :)
     
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    Well, if it's a mistake, and if all motherboards don't do the 'auto overclock' then we certainly don't have an argument for it being called stock performance.
     
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    The puzzling problem left is why are 5 of the remaining 8700k reviewers scores in the "zone" expected, around 1425cb, and the others are almost 200cb lower?

    Is there another "OC setting to be found? Perhaps a misconfiguration on the part of one group of scores or the other?
    comparing the wide range of 8700k cb scores.jpg
     
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    Maybe software related, maybe Windows 10 was doing something in the background, or something else eating up CPU cycles. RAM speed differences, although shouldn't account for a whole 200 points. cache frequency differences - another auto overclocking? Different designs of motherboards sometimes show SMALL differences in CPU performance, but not 200 points.
     
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    The thing to remember is these are experienced reviewers, that know how to get repeatable reliable scores from their benchmark runs, or mention otherwise, and none did.

    Check out the same reviewers 7700k scores, they are all consistent around the same average. The exact same reviewers were able to get self consistent and overall consistent scores doing the same test on the 7700k.

    Small differences from such random interference averaged over a few runs is expected, but not almost 200cb difference between top and bottom score, with several supporting declining points in between, stand out as problematic.

    If you didn't watch the AdoredTV video yet, he's got a few solid ideas as to where the problem is, the silicon.

    The Great Coffee Lake Con Job
     
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    Yeah, it's mysterious. I'll take a look at that later, off to work!
     
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