AMD's Ryzen CPU's (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris GPU's

Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Rage Set, Dec 14, 2016.

  1. hmscott

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    I run into them all the time, and get caught up by them too, and it's sometimes hard to find the original.

    Oddly enough the monetary reason to do it has passed; youtube has set new rules to get ad revenue, yet people are still doing them.

    Hopefully these hijackers will realize their youtube ad income has dried up and stop :)
     
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    Intel is scared enough to talk Cascade Lake. They say 14nm+, but prior articles discussed 14nm+ on skylake-SP already, like Kaby, meaning this would be 14nm++, while also suggesting cannonlake-sp is scrapped. Considering 10nm cannot compete with 14nm++, I'm saying more 10nm woes, so going with the strongest process to compete with AMD at 7nm next year. This article also suggests Epyc will be one of the first lines with the 7nm (like I predicted).
    http://wccftech.com/intel-cascade-lake-xeon-scalable-platform-optane-dimm-2018/

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    Could we please change the title to add RX4xx / RX5xx GPU's?
    (Thanks for adding Polaris to the title :) )


    We don't really have an RX 4xx/5xx thread, and they go with Ryzen best, since that's what many will consider a perfect fit right now for their AMD build, at least until Vega releases - which could be many months.

    Asus ROG Strix G702ZC with Ryzen 7 1700 8-core CPU and a Radeon RX580 GPU



    There are a number of the Ryzen 3/5/7 CPU's with 65w TDP that will work in a laptop. Of course the missing piece is a GPU over the RX580 in performance to compete with the 1070 / 1080, otherwise we are going to have CPU performance heavy laptops.

    (Aorus) Apologizes for the RX 480 => Aorus RX 580 XTR: THE DO-OVER!



    Sapphire Pulse RX 570 and RX 580


    Special Q+A: Ed from Sapphire on the Pulse RX570 RX580 Graphics Cards
     
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    SPECint_rate_base2006 is for people comparing workloads such as may be faced by a cloud provider... and ignores almost everything else except integer performance of a CPU. It is also based off a 1997 platform... ;)

    In other words; most likely nobody here that knows what they're comparing for a home/small business setup. :oops:


    Passmark tests while not perfect, do allow comparisons between platforms and if just the CPU is changed; follows the % change of the 'scores' pretty closely, ime. Again; not perfect... but usually gives a good guess of what should be expected between two systems.

    Anyone running a cloud server that needs this much more SPEC performance is more than likely not running any of the (Intel) CPU's listed in that table either.

    Yeah, comparing the large boost in integer performance from a 1997 platform base is interesting for about five seconds.

    But when todays workstation workloads are involved, or; server workloads where efficiency is just as important as performance; not so much. :)



     
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    We've had that exact same conversation here in these forums and the article seems to have it backwards; Intel is giving info - AMD; not so much.

    Either way, after all the posturing and prancing by both companies... the bottom line is what they will actually deliver.

    We'll be here to judge that for ourselves when the time and the products arrive (hopefully sooner than later).

     
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    After reading more about the process, IBM (who designed it in the agreement with IBM, GloFo, and Samsung) focused on processing power for 7nm, then balance to power efficiency for 5nm. Samsung's process is more power efficient, which is the 14nm process AMD licensed. AMD turned down a licensing deal of Samsung's 7nm, instead licensing IBM's, which may be repeated on 5nm. So, I don't know the balance that they will choose, but it will be interesting to watch. Here is some information on the Gate-All-Around of the new 5nm.
    https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/06/ibm-5nm-chip/
    https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/52531.wss

    So, this is dependent on EUV lithography being ready and Samsung and GloFo finding a way to mass produce the GAA transistors quickly, as it leaves behind finFET and adds a 4th "gate". This means we could see a finFET 5nm first, followed by a GAA. But, IBM's 7nm was first made in 2015 and will see production in 2018. If they can figure out how to build the 5nm in roughly the same amount of time, we will likely see either the finFET or GAA in 2020-21 (or at least have more news on it by then). But considering that is 40% transistor performance or 75% energy efficiency (over 10nm), that may be the better place to take the energy savings than going to 7nm.
     
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    "Intel’s Frank Soqui said in an interview that these CPUs were planned from the start and these high-end CPUs were going to come out whether AMD announced Threadripper or not. Here is what he had to say:

    "Independent of what our competitors do we will put out extreme edition processors, We’ll push performance, we’ll push threads, we’ll push cores, we’re pushing memory performance. This is not a response to the competition, this is a response to the end user.""

    And, the "end user" wants 16 Core AMD ThreadRipper, so we responded :D

    (maybe these posts should be in the TR thread?)
     
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