AMD vs Intel in 2022

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Intel or AMD

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  1. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    So now that that 12th Gen CPUs are out. What would be your choice?

    I am contemplating getting either a desktop with the AMD or Intel latest CPUs or wait a while and get a desktop replacement laptop with one of those CPUs and hook it up a large external monitor but the main point here is.... I've seen some initial benchmarks and it seems that the Intel 12th Gen beats AMD in single threaded benchmarks but loses in multi-threaded benchmarks favoring AMD.

    Another concern is the Spectre and Meltdown patches do they still affect the 12th Gen CPUs?
     
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    By the way, is AMD going to release something newer than the Ryzen 5 soon? If they will then that is another win for Intel right now because I don't want to get a computer with an AMD CPU only to have it become yesterware in a couple of months
     
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    I've built systems with both red and blue. Loong ago it made a difference in the build options based on which one you picked. These days though it doesn't matter as much.

    I built an ADL server from the ground up and it's preforming quite well for what I use it for. I didn't put a GPU in it because I don't need or want one for what it's being used for.

    ADL offers a couple of niche things right now being DDR5 (can't be bought w/o 10X pricing) and PCIE 5 (nothing on the market yet to utilize the slot). There's also a couple of MOBO's supporting M2 @ Gen 5 single slots when the new drives come out vs having to use a PCI adapter in the slot.

    AMD's edge in my book would be PCI bifurcation and more lanes in general if you're playing around with out of the box ideas. i.e. putting in a 8 slot M2 card for really fast storage & capacity

    AMD has always run hot in my book and the hype around ADL running hot IME so far isn't true. Air cooled ADL idles the same or better than the 8700K it replaced and under load is a tad cooler.

    My feeling / spidey senses put the $ on Intel for awhile at this point since they're more integrated into the processes that keep advancing the tech. They have the only AX/E WIFI cards on the market for example. They pushed PCI Gen 5 and converted TB3 into USB4 w/o demanding royalties like they had been. They have their own fab and can push things out faster than AMD or anyone else right now.

    New Iris Xe will be 4X more powerful than current UHD series with 96EU's on board in the CPU package. There releasing the new Alchemist GPU's soon as well. Combining Intel W/ Intel could show some synergies and boosted performance you don't get w/ RTX cards.

    Since Intel is behind Frame.Work as well there's a good chance we might be able to buy MOBO/CPU upgrades w/o having to buy a complete new system.

    Things are getting more interesting with Intel these days than ever before.
     
  4. System0

    System0 Notebook Consultant

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    Good topic Spartan.

    As far as laptops go, I'm not going to pick a side yet as it will all come down to pricing. AMD chips are getting support for USB 4 this year, but a few of the AMD models announced already don't have support for it. So it's going to also come down to particular models too.

    In 2021, AMD laptops were cheaper and offered better battery life. Whereas Intel laptops were more expensive but offered 5% better performance, Thunderbolt 4 and PCIE 4 support for SSDs.

    Sometimes it was worth paying a little more for Intel, sometimes it wasn't. In the UK, the AMD Legion 7 with a 3080 was £1,999, but the intel variant was £2,799. It's a crazy markup.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how the benchmarks are for the new chips. Intel chips should have better battery life now, but we'll have to see how that match up.

    As far as desktops go, I've still got a 5950X in my main PC. I don't see my changing that anytime soon as it's a beast. I'm tempted to pick up a new Intel chip for my other PC and relegate the 8700K to a test bench.
     
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    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Zen 4 (aka Ryzen 7000) for desktops isn't going to come out until close to the end of the year. I'm probably going to wait until those benchmarks before deciding. I'm looking at more of a budget/mid-range upgrade to my 9700K and am not at all interested in overclocking. The Core i5 12600 or i7 12700 paired with a B660 or H670 motherboard is looking the most appealing right now.
     
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    Spectre, Meltdown or even Thunderspy exploits being affected on latest processors is unknown but I don't think we can get any performance uplifts after uCode patches. Furthermore, if OS Sandboxing/containers is enforced globally on all apps by Win 11 then performance will be slower but all of these are mere speculations.
    I think its better to wait for benching results of latest Intel and AMD CPUs mobility editions.
     
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    Agreed. You always have to take the marketing material with a pinch of salt. Apple, Intel, AMD and Nvidia, are all guilty of cherry-picking apps and games that showcase how good their product is.
     
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    None. Other than a little infrequent video coding on my desktop, my needs are pretty modest, so I can't foresee upgrading for performance in the near future.
     
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    very interesting year indeed :) looking at Ryzen 7000 series for a highend desktop build (first desktop ive built for myself in over a decade!)
     
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    @jaybee83

    I went a couple of decades between my initial build back around 2000. AMD was the choice back then for me and in more recent times switched back to Intel for ease of deployment. Though my most recent build started in 2018. I redid the build using the 8700K ~3 times switching things up with the MOBO / cases as my goals / ideas changed over time. I recently ported things over to ADL 12700K from the ground up due to the arc change on the socket / slots.

    If I were to go back to AMD though I'd be aiming more for the AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO but updated for Gen 5 components. I would just want all the yummy bandwidth to play with as new stuff gets released and know there's no bottlenecks anywhere in the system. Being able to do a bit more on the PCI bus than you can w/ Intel comes at a price though. At that point it would be a beast in performance / heat / price. I mean you have 6-8 slots X16 to divvy up w/ 8 NVME drives per slot or HBA's for spinners. The options are a bit limitless to what you can throw into that kind of a system.
     
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